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re: 3 Body Problem - Netflix

Posted on 3/24/24 at 1:08 pm to
Posted by Hayekian serf
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 1:08 pm to
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They're all Chinese in the book. So even the white people shouldn't be there if you're wanting accurate


That’s how I want it. Just like the book.

I don’t give a crap if there isn’t one white person in it if the books are that way. In fact I don’t want to see a white person in it if the books are written that way.

Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 1:16 pm to
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I don’t give a crap if there isn’t one white person in it if the books are that way. In fact I don’t want to see a white person in it if the books are written that way

Your perfect version already exists

Three Body

Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 1:46 pm to
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That’s how I want it. Just like the book. I don’t give a crap if there isn’t one white person in it if the books are that way. In fact I don’t want to see a white person in it if the books are written that way.


I’m not mad at you for that. The closer to the source the better. Sounds like you should try Amazons version too. But I think it’s safe to say that the person I was responding too, who didn’t know anything about the source, wasn’t upset because there were two white people added, he just didn’t want a black and Indian guy in there. So make it diverse, but just in the way I want.
Posted by AUFANATL
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 5:00 pm to
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Just started this with 0 idea what it was about and umm… what have I done?


For this and Dune I read a primer online. It spoils most of the plot but a lot of these shows are about the journey rather than the destination and the producers have to balance the needs of the dedicated book fans with the general "I need something new to binge" crowd. That creates a mish-mash of sloppy character development and short cut science applications. Reading up online allows you to go into the show with a pre-existing understanding of the characters and concepts without having to delve into a series of dense sci-fi novels.
Posted by Geauxldninja
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 1:13 am to
The books are amazing. Legit awesome books and that’s coming from someone who’s not a big reader. I got sucked in.
Posted by cfish140
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 2:24 am to
Book reader here. Impressed with the first episode

Not real fired up how they’re portraying my favorite character, Luo Ji (black stoner scientist). Going to take some getting used to
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 6:46 am to
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The closer to the source the better


Good rule for all cases.
Posted by boxcarbarney
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:49 am to
I'm three episodes in, and I realized two things:

-Why Will Downing has cancer, and what will become of it based on the books

-Who the girl who killed Samwell Tarly really is from the books.

If my assumptions are true, they really are mixing plotlines from the three books, and speeding things along.
Posted by lostinbr
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 10:07 am to
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That’s how I want it. Just like the book.

Set entirely in China, filmed in Mandarin with subtitles? Personally I am glad they adapted it for a western audience.

Not every adaptation of a novel needs to be 100% accurate to the source. The Three-Body Problem is not LotR. Moving the setting from China to Oxford makes sense IMO.

As for the show itself, I watched it over the weekend. I thought it was good for the most part, but the structure of the season was a little odd. Felt like there were elements in the second half of the season that really would have made more sense in the first half of a season 2.
Posted by HueyLongJr
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 2:38 pm to
Auggie sucks as a character and the actor playing her is worse.
Posted by YumYum Sauce
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 2:55 pm to
2 eps left. I like it, but not anywhere close to loving it.

Just like so many shows on netflix, it feels like they clipped 2 or 3 episodes and go from point a to point f.
Posted by txbd
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 3:09 pm to
Just finished it. I also read the trilogy so I was scared that this wouldnt live up to the books. I thought they did a really good job. Yes, they westernized the characters but I don't have any issue with that.

Show and Book Spoilers:


1) The nanofiber attack on the boat was cool as frick. I had no idea how they were going to depict that visually and it was better than I could have imagined.
2) They should have spent more time explaining the sophons. They should have spent time diving deep into the creation of them - especially the consequences of their failed deployments to Trisolaris.
3) Really enjoyed all the bug references throughout the show but I do not like how they handled the 'You are bugs' scene. I'm not sure what they could have done differently but reading that in the book gave me chills.

Overall thought they did a phenomenal job and looking forward to the Dark Forest adaptation.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 5:12 pm to
Couple of more eps. So far, I like it better than Apple's series 'Invasion'. Enjoying the watch, but I'd have liked to see a more book accurate version.


Gets me thinking, has there been an 'Alien invasion' thread on here? And the board's favorite TV/movies?
This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 5:27 pm
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:58 pm to
Finished it.

Just when I think 'someone' has things figured out & the humans have a winning hand, the San-Ti reshuffle the cards.

Still have questions though. About the Sophons. Tatiana. And how the San-Ti can affect stuff in real time despite being light years (100's of years physically) away.

This quantum physics stuff is reminiscent of Foundation.
Posted by TAMU-93
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 11:26 pm to
The sophons are protons which have been unfolded from three dimensions into two dimensions. This large flat proton is then encoded with an artifical intellegence. The two dimensional proton is then folded back up into three dimensions.

The sophons are created in pairs. The pairs share a quantum entaglement where a state change in one instantly changes the state of it's twin. One twin is launched to Earth while the other remains with the Trisolarans (San-Ti). This is how the Trisolarans can affect things despite being light years away.

Because a proton has so little mass it can travel close to light speed. It reaches Earth in about 4 years. The Trisolaran fleet is traveling at 1% light speed and is expected to reach Earth in 400 years.

Anyway, something like that. It's been a while since I read the books.
This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 11:29 pm
Posted by Xenophon
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:33 am to
I think it’s good. And they are doing the best they can to include the science. The books are so intense with the science that I think you would lose the audience with all of it.

As some have said, the Auggie character is a little annoying. And the wallfacer should have definitely been a younger Chinese dude. But I don’t hate the character they are using.

Maybe we need a spoiler thread.. because surely this series doesn’t end like the book, right?
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:49 am to
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Maybe we need a spoiler thread.. because surely this series doesn’t end like the book, right?


For sure, or the OP to say spoilers start on page 3 in the thread title.
Posted by lostinbr
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Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 12:16 pm to
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And how the San-Ti can affect stuff in real time despite being light years (100's of years physically) away.

Quantum entanglement - Einstein’s “spooky action at a distance.” It’s a phenomenon where the quantum states of two particles become entangled, meaning their states are correlated even at large distances. Research has shown that state measurements of entangled particles at the same time will yield the same results even if those particles are so far apart that they “communication” between them would have to happen faster than the speed of light. This has led to some speculation that FTL communication may be possible using quantum computers that are entangled with one another.

I’m not a theoretical physicist, but my understanding is that current consensus says transmission of actual information at faster-than-light speeds is still impossible, regardless of entanglement. The issue is that you can’t force a particle into a specific state (which you would have to do in order to actually communicate any information) without breaking the entanglement.

Interestingly, I’m not sure that FTL communication is actually necessary for the plot to work. A sufficiently-advanced quantum computer/AI would presumably be capable of “taking the wheel,” so to speak, and reporting its findings/actions back to the San-Ti with normal transmission delay. Not that it really matters.. it’s science fiction after all.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 4:00 pm to
I remember the explanation, but how the Quantum states of being in 2 places at the same time still baffles me. I guess it did Einstein too, but how does that translate to the crazy eye in the sky stuff, the real time interaction and how does Lord (or whatever) show up in real or 3D hologram on Wade's plane? Or affect its power? I guess it's the same way they can frick with the colliders, but still...


And the whole 'lying' thing as something that totally throws off the aliens. Lying, deception, whatever you want to call it can be found through out all of nature. It's not a specific Human trait, not even close. I guess that's one of my main flaws regarding the basic premise of the story.
This post was edited on 3/26/24 at 4:02 pm
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 4:12 pm to
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Auggie sucks as a character and the actor playing her is worse.
She’s the biggest problem by far. Just horrible casting, nothing about her felt like an authentic scientist

My second biggest critique is I wished they had spent more time on the science elements. They went pretty quick through a lot of the stuff that made the first book great… the nanofibers, the quantum mechanics, and the multiple dimensions were all critical, central elements to the underlying story of what amounted to a mystery novel. The series really flew through those things, to the point that it felt more like using a scientific backdrop to march straight towards an inevitable outcome. That’s more of the mindset of book 2, which is still great in its own right. But in book 1, it’s a long time before the inevitability of the conflict becomes clear… and the infusion of scientific concepts to build the mystery to get there is what makes the story so great.

It’s admittedly a high bar to get to in a tv series though. I might try the Amazon Chinese version to see how they cover the science side… those were my favorite components of the book



6/10 overall for me. Entertaining enough, and I’m glad they took the swing at something ambitious. But the bar was set too high for me by one of my favorite books, and this didn’t reach that admittedly high bar
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