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re: What was the Greatest Necessary Evil?
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:08 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:08 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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He said "necessary" evil
I caught some flak in another thread when I said there was talk of Japan surrendering before the nukes were dropped. Fire bombing Tokyo the tune of 250,000 innocent civilians deaths had many working on figuring out how to surrender and keep the Emperor in charge.
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Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:12 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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He said "necessary" evil
The fact that we had to drop a second one to make them pay attention should tell you all you need to know.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:12 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
When we played war as kids we made the enemies say Lollipop as a password
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:13 pm to Mike Joyce
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Voting for Biden. Not a fan but Trump was not fit for office. I will be doing it again.
Can you name a Biden policy that you favor over Trump or are you one of those retards who voted Biden because Trump tweets mean things?
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:15 pm to Cuz413
We probably bombed Japan because we needed to show the world what we could do. This of course saved a bunch of American lives but also brought the others out in groves
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:20 pm to OysterPoBoy
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Did you just call God evil?
Not at all. It’s more a reference to His Sovereignty.
Isaiah 45:7:
I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the Lord do all these things.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:30 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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because the Nazi’s never had a chance of conquering Russia)
Most of the Soviet Union's agriculture and practically all its industrial base was west of the Urals. With Germany not having to worry about a second front in the west, and Russia not having lend leade aid, Germany would have been very capable of conquering the parts they were interested in.
Digesting the western half of Russia was to be a multi generation endeavour. Siberia was left for the indefinite future,if ever.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:41 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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What was the Greatest Necessary Evil?
Not renewing Firefly for a second season.
Absolutely incredible Space Opera, but would not have grown as iconic as it did had it continued.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:45 pm to TutHillTiger
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We probably bombed Japan because we needed to show the world what we could do. This of course saved a bunch of American lives but also brought the others out in groves
It did, but the fire bombing caused far more damage than the nuclear bombs did. Also, take into account the soviets invaded manchuria at the same time.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:59 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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feel like the greatest necessary evil in history is when the United States and the Allies had to ally with the Soviets in World War II.
Not even the “greatest evil” in that war. Much less history
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:12 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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Yeah, I don’t think a Nazi controlled Europe (with the exception of Russia, because the Nazi’s never had a chance of conquering Russia) would have been good for world peace.
As opposed to what? I imagine it would’ve been pretty similar to how it turned out
Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:55 pm to PappaPig
quote:This, in my opinion.
Nuking Japan comes to mind
While we (the US) were the primary beneficiaries, setting us up for global domination for the foreseeable future, in a broader sense it eliminated wars between major powers.
Even with the war in Ukraine, I get the sense Russia felt out the US and Western Europe first, and said "we're going to take X. And not further. So ease off the trigger, ok?"
Posted on 2/24/24 at 7:31 am to TutHillTiger
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This of course saved a bunch of American lives
Only because that's what we were told as an excuse to do it.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 8:18 am to SaintlyTiger88
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Yeah, I don’t think a Nazi controlled Europe (with the exception of Russia, because the Nazi’s never had a chance of conquering Russia) would have been good for world peace.
Communism is worse than Nazi National Socialism, which is really saying something. We ended up spending the next 50 years dealing with it as a super power and are still dealing with aspects of it today.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 8:23 am to Cuz413
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I caught some flak in another thread when I said there was talk of Japan surrendering before the nukes were dropped. Fire bombing Tokyo the tune of 250,000 innocent civilians deaths had many working on figuring out how to surrender and keep the Emperor in charge.
Truth. There was a peace faction lobbying for keeping the Emperor and some of their conquered colonies. The US would only accept total surrender. Of course, there were also factions arguing to fight to the very last man, woman, and child.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 8:25 am to Outdoorreb
Come on, Man
Posted on 2/24/24 at 8:29 am to Tigerlaff
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Of course, there were also factions arguing to fight to the very last man, woman, and child.
When you tell a culture that honors dying in combat that you'll only accept their total unconditional surrender, you're saying they must fight to the last child that can hold a gun.
Also, if we weren't out in the Pacific creating our own empire, would we have crossed paths with the Japanese?
Posted on 2/24/24 at 8:30 am to Mike Joyce
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Voting for Biden. Not a fan but Trump was not fit for office. I will be doing it again.
How on earth did we all manage to make it through the dark ages of 2016-2020. Thank god we have someone who is fit for office in the White House now. God you people are insane.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 8:32 am to OKTiger83
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Shooting ol'yeller
Our dorm at college had a TV room. Old Yeller was playing, and the toughest guy on the football team (I think Fincher was his name) was watching. He teared up when Old Yeller was shot, left the room mumbling "I'll never watch that fricking movie again ... frick that."
Posted on 2/24/24 at 9:01 am to Scoob
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While we (the US) were the primary beneficiaries, setting us up for global domination for the foreseeable future, in a broader sense it eliminated wars between major powers.
Even with the war in Ukraine, I get the sense Russia felt out the US and Western Europe first, and said "we're going to take X. And not further. So ease off the trigger, ok?"
The thought of using the bomb was to save lives. The propaganda Japan used was the Americans were evil and ate babies. If we did not use it, Japans civilians were devoted to fight to death.
The crimes the Japanese committed against prisoners of war, and the Chinese population were worse than the Germans. Japanese soldiers would play a game of throwing babies in the air and stabbing them with swords.
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