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re: MSM and Fox are melting hard this morning about this bill crashing and burning.

Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:33 am to
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:33 am to
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You familiar with what was in this fricking bill?

Limit the number crossing and determine asylum eligibility at the border.

Y'all aren't fooling anyone, you just don't want Biden to get any credit for solving the border crisis. How about this, pass this bill, and then go from there? It's better than having nothing. Unless, of course, you want to run for president on the current administration not doing anything. God forbid the other party actually get anything done.

You're just falling for political gamesmanship.
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
2487 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:35 am to
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Limit the number crossing and determine asylum eligibility at the border.

Y'all aren't fooling anyone, you just don't want Biden to get any credit for solving the border crisis. How about this, pass this bill, and then go from there? It's better than having nothing. Unless, of course, you want to run for president on the current administration not doing anything. God forbid the other party actually get anything done.

You're just falling for political gamesmanship.



I am saying this without trying to be insulting....are you insane? Serious question.
Posted by LSU5508
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2007
3623 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:39 am to
110 Billion dollar bill and less than 30 billion for the United States. If you think this is a good us of American Tax Dollars then you sir are an idiot. Plus is limited Latin American migrants, 100,000 immigrants from elsewhere could walk across and they would not be counted.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119114 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:40 am to
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How about this, pass this bill, and then go from there?


No.

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It's better than having nothing.


We already have a lot. Biden has enough laws on the books right now to shut down the border.

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You're just falling for political gamesmanship.



You are.

You are happy the GOP has killed this bill so you can blame Trump who is not even in office for the current catastrophe at the border.

You sound like you work for an NGO.
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 10:42 am
Posted by minister of truth
Somewhere new for 6-12 months
Member since May 2022
1172 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:47 am to
Flamin Tchoup with his progressive propaganda push. The bill does nothing to limit border crossings and you know that. It provides Ukraine with 4x the $$ Trump had asked to address the US border that your party denied him. Go back to your drag shows on Bourbon Street with the other freaks in your party
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101732 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:48 am to
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Y'all aren't fooling anyone, you just don't want Biden to get any credit for solving the border crisis.


What is in this bill that the admin couldn’t do RIGHT NOW if it wanted to?
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 10:49 am
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57460 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:52 am to
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Y'all aren't fooling anyone, you just don't want Biden to get any credit for solving the border crisis. How about this, pass this bill, and then go from there? It's better than having nothing. Unless, of course, you want to run for president on the current administration not doing anything. God forbid the other party actually get anything done.


Solving a "border crisis" he created? Besides, not one penny of any so-called "border bill" should be allocated to Ukraine, so that part is a non-starter.
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 10:54 am
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11275 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:55 am to
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Y'all aren't fooling anyone, you just don't want Biden to get any credit for solving the border crisis

Biden can use his powers specifically granted under the immigration act to stop all illegal aliens anytime that he wants for any reason he deems necessary until bipartisan legislation can be passed.

"Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) gives the President of the United States broad authority to implement immigration restrictions by proclamation. The statute allows the President to suspend the entry of any aliens or of a class of aliens or place restrictions on the entry of a class of aliens temporarily if he or she determines that the entry of such aliens would be detrimental to the U.S. interest."

He doesn't do it because he doesn't want to.

Here's a link, it outlines his powers specifically:
US INS: Immigration and Naturalization Act

And another one:
MyAttorney - Powers Delineated to the President Under INA
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 10:59 am
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:55 am to
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It's better than having nothing.


Hey moron, no, no it's not.

Besides, we don't have "nothing", we have tons of laws in place that will allow us to COMPLETELY shut the border down as well as remove every illegal immigrant from the country.

I say this with all due respect, unless your post was sarcasm, you are one of THE dumbest mtherfkrs on the board.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52951 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:58 am to
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Y'all aren't fooling anyone, you just don't want Biden to get any credit for solving the border crisis.


$110 Billion dollar bill where 60% of it goes to Ukraine? You are a complete clown.

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How about this, pass this bill, and then go from there?


You mean like "pass it to see what's in it?" That worked out great when Nancy did that.

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It's better than having nothing.


You know what would actually solve the border problem, the actual law that exists on the books.

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8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien


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(a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

(b)Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1)at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2)twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
(c)Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.


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Unless, of course, you want to run for president on the current administration not doing anything.


The current administration did do something. They created the problem.

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You're just falling for political gamesmanship.


You are purposefully pretending the Biden admin has nothing to do with the border crisis.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26790 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 11:04 am to
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Limit the number crossing and determine asylum eligibility at the border. Y'all aren't fooling anyone, you just don't want Biden to get any credit for solving the border crisis. How about this, pass this bill, and then go from there? It's better than having nothing. Unless, of course, you want to run for president on the current administration not doing anything. God forbid the other party actually get anything done.

This bill doesn’t solve the border crisis. Any bill that sets a numerical threshold for enforcing the law and barring entry for illegals is a nonstarter for me. Every part of the bill gives the executive WAY too much discretion. The administration isn’t enforcing the law right now, but they’re going to use their discretion to tighten border security? Yea, ok.

That’s without even addressing the fact that the “immigration bill” is actually just a foreign aid slush fund with a lip service border rider.

Yes, doing nothing and simply enforcing existing law is preferable.
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 11:05 am
Posted by Friscodog
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2009
4488 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 11:04 am to
Please see thread about Mike Lee's issues with the Bill. It lays it out very clearly the problems with the bill. It basically codify's an open border and gives the admin the ability to do whatever they want.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262217 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 11:06 am to
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the number crossing


That number should be zero,if they don't go thru channels.

Posted by MemphisGuy
Member since Nov 2023
3657 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 11:07 am to
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WildTchoupitoulas


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How about this, pass this bill, and then go from there? It's better than having nothing.


Posted by Great Plains Drifter
Member since Jul 2019
4575 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 11:11 am to
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Y'all aren't fooling anyone, you just don't want Biden to get any credit for solving the border crisis


He’s helped CREATE the crisis.

Just don’t want Biden to get credit…

As Joe himself would say, “Cmon man”.
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