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I guess this playoff makes you rethink star rankings.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:40 pm
Michigan and Washington had less five stars and top 100 players than the teams they played.
The n.c will not have been ranked consistently in top 10 in recruiting for the last three/four years.
Are we seeing effects of poor evaluation by the services and better evaluations by these programs?
The n.c will not have been ranked consistently in top 10 in recruiting for the last three/four years.
Are we seeing effects of poor evaluation by the services and better evaluations by these programs?
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:42 pm to Bayou2atl
michigan guys looked big and fast
washington guys were small and had heart and great chemistry
washington guys were small and had heart and great chemistry
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:45 pm to Bayou2atl
Superior coaching was evident
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:49 pm to Bayou2atl
Washington had an outlier at QB that made up for a lot.
Michigan has a stout D and is well coached. They have above average talent to go along with it and a vicious mentality that comes from Harbaugh.
Also, JJ was a 5 star QB. They have a 5 star CB and Corum was a high 4 star. HS rankings are right more often than not.
Michigan has a stout D and is well coached. They have above average talent to go along with it and a vicious mentality that comes from Harbaugh.
Also, JJ was a 5 star QB. They have a 5 star CB and Corum was a high 4 star. HS rankings are right more often than not.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:49 pm to Bayou2atl
The difference between the 70th ranked recruit and 170 can be very small.
Michigan has a great coaching staff. Coaching matters too.
Michigan has a great coaching staff. Coaching matters too.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:52 pm to Bayou2atl
quote:
Are we seeing effects of poor evaluation by the services and better evaluations by these programs?
Washington is loaded with seniors, that's why they are good
next year, they will be the next TCU
Posted on 1/2/24 at 4:53 pm to Bayou2atl
I always wondered how these kids that come from poor areas afford to go to camps across the country
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:11 pm to Bayou2atl
Here is something I posted in another thread:
What you aren't considering is the amount of players trying to leave their SEC teams after 3 years versus guys going to other programs expecting to be there for 4-5 years. Also a lot more cutthroat at an SEC school. I don't have numbers but I bet turnover is higher. What this means is amount of talent at any given time will be higher in the SEC, but it might be less experienced and less developed than in other programs.
Basically, these non-SEC schools don't have the impetus and need to compete for a national title every year, so their ability to develop talent is on a longer timetable. It helps them develop.
There's also the fact that the entire west coast has like 6-8 serious FBS programs. They have a lot of talent to horde.
What you aren't considering is the amount of players trying to leave their SEC teams after 3 years versus guys going to other programs expecting to be there for 4-5 years. Also a lot more cutthroat at an SEC school. I don't have numbers but I bet turnover is higher. What this means is amount of talent at any given time will be higher in the SEC, but it might be less experienced and less developed than in other programs.
Basically, these non-SEC schools don't have the impetus and need to compete for a national title every year, so their ability to develop talent is on a longer timetable. It helps them develop.
There's also the fact that the entire west coast has like 6-8 serious FBS programs. They have a lot of talent to horde.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:15 pm to Bayou2atl
Stars are irrelevant without context.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:16 pm to Bayou2atl
Last 4 champions
LSU
Bama
UGA
UGA
Of those 4 LSU has been the worst in recruiting and they typically stay inside the top 10
This is the outlier year and all of a sudden rankings don’t matter.
LSU
Bama
UGA
UGA
Of those 4 LSU has been the worst in recruiting and they typically stay inside the top 10
This is the outlier year and all of a sudden rankings don’t matter.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:26 pm to Bayou2atl
Top end coaching and development.
Transfer portal isn't included in the hs recruiting rankings. No Penix=no Washington
You don't need 85 blue chippers to be a champion. You need 45-50 that develop and play on gamedays.
Experience. Can't recruit it.
Anamolies happen. Name the last champion that wasn't a major recruiting program. I'll grant Clemsons Boyd title.
Transfer portal isn't included in the hs recruiting rankings. No Penix=no Washington
You don't need 85 blue chippers to be a champion. You need 45-50 that develop and play on gamedays.
Experience. Can't recruit it.
Anamolies happen. Name the last champion that wasn't a major recruiting program. I'll grant Clemsons Boyd title.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 7:56 pm to Bayou2atl
Washington is 25%-ish 5th and 6th year seniors.
This is a fluke due to Covid.
This is a fluke due to Covid.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 11:44 pm to Bayou2atl
quote:
I guess this playoff makes you rethink star rankings.
Yes
Posted on 1/3/24 at 6:01 am to Bayou2atl
Great teams are going to beat collections of great players. Ideally, you have a great team composed of great players, but as the man said, "You can't always get what you want."
So, of the two options, it is far better to build a team that has great chemistry and plays well together (e.g. the 2011 defense), than a group of "me first" guys who happen to be great individual football players.
Sure, when you have a team composed of superstars - AND they play well together (e.g. the 2019 offense), that is typically quite special (and rare).
So, of the two options, it is far better to build a team that has great chemistry and plays well together (e.g. the 2011 defense), than a group of "me first" guys who happen to be great individual football players.
Sure, when you have a team composed of superstars - AND they play well together (e.g. the 2019 offense), that is typically quite special (and rare).
Posted on 1/3/24 at 6:02 am to Bayou2atl
I believe both Michigan and Washington have many players who have been in the program for four and five years. They developed.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 8:32 am to Bayou2atl
quote:
Are we seeing effects of poor evaluation by the services and better evaluations by these programs?
I believe Washington and UM are 4-5 year senior laden teams. The biggest issue for the SEC and 5 star recruiting is they jump to the NFL after 3 years.
It is still probably a better formula to recruit the 5 star guys, have them leave in 3 years and replace them as your NC formula than relying on guys sticking around for 4-5 years. However the roster filled with lots of experience does pay off sometimes.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:03 am to Bayou2atl
Cool, Maybe if we look at history it will bolster your argument. Let's see. 247 offers a team talent composite based on rankings of scholarship players on the team that season.
Here are the participants in the finals
Michigan #14
Washington #24
Here are the CFP champions and where they were ranked
2015 Alabama #1
2016 Clemson #9
2017 Alabama #1
2018 Clemson #6
2019 LSU #5
2020 Alabama #2
2021 Georgia #2
2022 Georgia #2
Hmmm
Here are the participants in the finals
Michigan #14
Washington #24
Here are the CFP champions and where they were ranked
2015 Alabama #1
2016 Clemson #9
2017 Alabama #1
2018 Clemson #6
2019 LSU #5
2020 Alabama #2
2021 Georgia #2
2022 Georgia #2
Hmmm
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:05 am to Bayou2atl
If UGA were in the playoff there is a good chance they'd be in the title game.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 9:53 am to Bayou2atl
Michigan has 15 seniors or graduates (out of 22) on its combined first teams. 15 out of 22! and only 4 of those have transferred in.... What they have are a bunch of home grown kids that have been forged in fire for 4 to 5 years, and it makes a huge difference. This is what BK wants to get to...
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