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re: Haley declines to say slavery was cause of Civil War
Posted on 12/28/23 at 7:56 am to rmnldr
Posted on 12/28/23 at 7:56 am to rmnldr
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The real area of discussion was how to go about it and that’s where I believe both free states and slave states failed to compromise.
Free States were more than able to present a bill to Congress to abolish slavery. We had unconstitutional banks and unconstitutional tariffs, so why not just make a law banning it?
The reason why is it was a non issue for most people. Just like abortion in today's world, it seems like "everyone" is moved by it, but polls and studies reveal it really doesn't move the needle for most candidates. Why? Most people aren't having abortions, and most people in the 1860's didn't own slaves.
Now taxes, everyone gets hit by taxes, so it's a direct impact on people's lives.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:02 am to TrueTiger
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huge factor, not the sole cause
Everything about the U.S. civil war always stems back to slavery.
I’ve tried this for years to point out a way for to say it wasn’t about slavery but it was. If you read the CSA government’s documents it’s clear as day.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:04 am to rmnldr
Good for her. However, she was the start of the attack on Confederate memorials by removing the confederate flag from the South Carolina capitol. Screw her.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:04 am to Cuz413
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Free States were more than able to present a bill to Congress to abolish slavery. We had unconstitutional banks and unconstitutional tariffs, so why not just make a law banning it?
Probably trying to avoid a war. There was no compromise. Slave states wanted to preserve and extend slavery and it was non-negotiable.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:06 am to rmnldr
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Everything about the U.S. civil war always stems back to slavery.
I’ve tried this for years to point out a way for to say it wasn’t about slavery but it was. If you read the CSA government’s documents it’s clear as day.
Wrong.
Secession may have been for slavery, but the war was for money and power and was instigated by the North.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:07 am to NC_Tigah
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States rights to secede from what was perceived an irreconcilably unbeneficial union.
Because they wanted to keep slaves
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:08 am to JJJimmyJimJames
quote:you love to throw it out that Nikki is Indian, but you don't have a problem with Vivek? Interesting.
So Nimrata
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:09 am to rmnldr
Slavery was very obviously not the cause of the Civil War.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:09 am to rmnldr
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Slave states wanted to preserve and extend slavery and it was non-negotiable.
The Confederate Constitution allowed for States to outlaw slavery.
The North wanted States admitted to the Union to be free States because they felt that would give the upper hand in Congress, the South wanted States to be able to hold slaves if that was what they chose because they felt more slave States would give them power in Congress.
eta: to understand the nuances of the War for Southern Independence, you must understand the cultural differences between the North and the South and how it has been there since before the American War for Independence.
The North threatened to secede several times before the South did, and not once was it for slavery. It was always for money and power.
This post was edited on 12/28/23 at 8:14 am
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:15 am to Cuz413
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eta: to understand the nuances of the War for Southern Independence, you must understand the cultural differences between the North and the South and how it has been there since before the American War for Independence.
I do.
And every point you make still points back to slavery being the point of contention.
Once again I’m not demonizing the south and praising the north. It just is what it is.
ETA: a lot of people sound like RINOs in the truest sense in this thread.
This post was edited on 12/28/23 at 8:17 am
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:18 am to rmnldr
quote:Was that Constitutional IAW with documents constructing the union?
Because they wanted to keep slaves
Why was the question even at issue?
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:18 am to rmnldr
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Probably trying to avoid a war. There was no compromise. Slave states wanted to preserve and extend slavery and it was non-negotiable.
This isn’t true. Parts of Louisiana wanted union control and the war to be over. You act as if every person in every slave state wanted slavery to continue. You are so wrong.
What’s funny about Louisiana is it was New Orleans that rejected the union.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:20 am to rmnldr
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Everything about the U.S. civil war always stems back to slavery.
The Yankee Empire got to write the history, and they filled it with this propaganda.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:21 am to dgnx6
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You act as if every person in every slave state wanted slavery to continue. You are so wrong.
I’ve never “acted” that way or said that. You’re perceiving this as an attack on your cultural heritage but that’s not what I’m doing.
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What’s funny about Louisiana is it was New Orleans that rejected the union.
Okay, and? All of that is a side issue and not an argument against the statement that slavery was the root cause of the U.S. civil war
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:22 am to rmnldr
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Slavery needed to be ended as a practice in the U.S.
If you read her comment without being triggered because it doesn't include the word "slavery" I think you will find that she basically is saying the same thing.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:22 am to rmnldr
Seriously, how can anyone not know the Civil War was over Slavery.
The Republican Party was founded in 1854 by anti-slavery activists who opposed the Kansas–Nebraska Act, which allowed for the potential expansion of chattel slavery into the western territories of Kansas and Nebraska.
The Republican Party was founded in 1854 by anti-slavery activists who opposed the Kansas–Nebraska Act, which allowed for the potential expansion of chattel slavery into the western territories of Kansas and Nebraska.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:23 am to rmnldr
It’s hard to believe this is still a question in American politics today. Why are we asking candidates about a war that happened over a century and half ago rather than focusing on what’s happening today?
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:23 am to rmnldr
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And every point you make still points back to slavery being the point of contention.
So when the North wanted to secede after the Louisiana purchase because all of these States were going to be new agrarian minded people, not mercantile people like the North, they convened and it was scuttled.
Or like when the North was severely hampered by the naval blockades prohibiting trading with the British during the war of 1812 and they convened at the Hartford convention to present the prospect of secession.
Both of those were over slavery? Or MONEY?
The nullification of 1830 and the Tariff of Abominations was over slavery?
The South's cotton and sugar exportation was larger than the North's entire GDP. The South was where the money was and not just for plantation owners.
But you're telling me if the North would have treated the South like Spain or France and recognized them as an independent nation, we still would have had a war over slavery?
If that's the case, why haven't we waged war against every nation on Earth that recognizes the institution of slavery in the name of freeing all slaves?
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:23 am to rmnldr
Even if someone doesn’t know the history of this country, they should at least be able to apply logic here concerning the Civil War. 100,000 white people did not risk their lives and their families lives and die because they felt bad for slaves that long ago. It’s just a ridiculous thought quite honestly.
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