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Regardless on how you feel about BI...you simply cannot give him 50mill a year

Posted on 11/7/23 at 8:46 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128052 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 8:46 am
That's what he is angling for in his next contract. If you don't give it to him this offseason, then he plays out his contract and some desperate team might give him something stupid when he is a UDFA.

If you feel like you aren't going to give him that/ he's not worth that...

During this season is the time to trade him. A year and a half left, the other team will give more value when there is more time left and time to sign him to a extension.

There's just too much logic here.

He's not that guy. Trade him at the deadline for max return, get better fitting pieces and/or picks, start Trey Murphy.
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
4356 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 8:48 am to
Everything you said is correct.

Giving him 50 million to sulk around off ball and only dribble around and take pull up midrangers when he's on ball would be a death sentence for this team
Posted by VaeVictus
Member since Feb 2017
1817 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 8:52 am to
He's just not a winning player.

Time to move him for something else.
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
10040 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 8:52 am to
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Everything you said is correct.




aaaaaaaaaaand David Griffin is going to give him $50m/year.
Posted by WB504
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
6102 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 8:56 am to
Outside of the Warriors with Steph, I feel the majority of teams immediately regret signing guys to these long term supermax deals.

Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
31960 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:00 am to
No team, even desperate, will give him that 50mil annually.

Think teams are becoming smarter about these tier 2 players getting that huge contract. They run into the Bradley Beal, Russell Westbrook, etc issues.

I still stand by my opinion that Ingram wants to be here, but you need to get him and zion on the same page because the two of them look like Westbrook and Durant. Your turn my turn iso ball.
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
4356 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:00 am to
Just look at KAT. That's what giving a huge contract to BI would look like. No one wants KAT's contract which gets nasty NEXT year when his extension kicks in
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128052 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:02 am to
You drafted the literal perfect replacement for him. A guy that fits PERFECTLY in a starting lineup next to almost any player but especially a Zion type.

I'm exploring trades with teams like Indy in multiple team deals, see if you can get a combo of players that just fit better and a pick or 3
Posted by cajun_tiger
Member since Jun 2012
239 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:19 am to
The thing is, you have to be willing to lose the press conference, but win the trade long term. And Griffin doesn't seem willing to do that. We have to be honest with ourselves that yes, with 2 all star caliber players and another fringe all star we should be title contenders, but our pieces are a poor fit (at least Z and BI are) this is a perfect get more with less situation. frick it, Call it Simmons dumb arse Ewing theory, whatever. We could upgrade our C position and get a big wing/backup 4 and have a better team. Adding talent is additive but fit can be multiplicative. I have zero hope of it happening though.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
67567 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:26 am to
I’m not advocating for paying him $50 mill, but I do think some people
are going way overboard in criticizing his play.
Posted by higgsBoson
Democratic Party
Member since Jan 2012
1594 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:29 am to
quote:

The thing is, you have to be willing to lose the press conference, but win the trade long term


Let’s see. He seems emotionally attached to BI. Maybe it’s because he got so little in the end for Lakers trade. Maybe they just get along personally. But reality is if we pay BI max, we’re in big trouble. If we can see that surely he can. Also, he was shopping BI for Scoot clearly. It didn’t work out because he overvalued BI. Now that BIs value is at a low let’s see if he avoids sunk cost fallacy.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:30 am to
quote:

The thing is, you have to be willing to lose the press conference, but win the trade long term. And Griffin doesn't seem willing to do that.


I'd say that's how all GMs are. One thing that does give me hope though, is Griff's best ability as a GM is willingness to recognize mistakes and change direction. If BI isn't going to do what he needs to do to fit this team, we need it to be even worse than it is now. It needs to be painfully obvious, not that he's a bad player, but that he's a bad fit with Zion.

All they really need to do for that to happen is to keep doing what they're doing.

quote:

Shamit Dua @FearTheBrown

Can you find where the ball drops and offense stagnates?




Posted by Louisianabound88
BR
Member since Dec 2016
3636 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:35 am to
I couldn’t agree more, dude is a solid NBA player but he’s not a 300 mil guy. He and Zion don’t mix well so u have to trade 1 of the 2 and I’ll take the high upside guy because we’ve seen it work. Bi dribbles the ball for 14 seconds and takes a highly contested mid range is not a winning recipe in this league, playoffs yes but regular season no

I think Trey would become your second star once he takes the BI minutes. Then you add Jordan Hawkins, Matt Ryan, and CJ’s shooting into the equation and you have something there.
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7687 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:37 am to
"I’m not advocating for paying him $50 mill, but I do think some people
are going way overboard in criticizing his play."

I tend to agree with this, but the OP was pretty clear he was focusing on whether to give this player a supermax type deal. If that's the question, I tend to agree with the OP. Fortunately, we should have more of an opportunity to see if Ingram can complement Zion enough for us to be a real title contender. Short of that, I think we would very much great paying a high-end tier 2 guy supermax money.
Posted by cajun_tiger
Member since Jun 2012
239 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:38 am to
quote:

Shamit Dua @FearTheBrown

Can you find where the ball drops and offense stagnates


In that case I think you're right. I bought tickets to the Lakers home win last year. Turned out the seats were on Griffs row, 3 seats away. One thing I noticed was he kept telling the guy next to him he wanted more passing, at that time he was talking about CJ. Something I felt last year was that CJ was a little more of a ball stopper at times. I obviously haven't sat next to him this year but I'd bet he's making that same motion about BI...
Posted by NorthshoreTiger76
Pelicans, Saints, & LSU Fan
Member since May 2009
83551 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:47 am to
I agree 100%
Posted by mhasen1
Texas
Member since Feb 2008
1864 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:19 am to
quote:

One thing I noticed was he kept telling the guy next to him he wanted more passing, at that time he was talking about CJ. Something I felt last year was that CJ was a little more of a ball stopper at times.


CJ was a ball stopper last year. But, to his credit, he fully bought into the system this year. CJ has been fantastic this year about making quick decisions to shoot, pass, or drive.

Ingram has absolutely refused to buy in. In the Denver game alone, Zion set him up with about 6 or 7 wide open shots. Instead of taking the open shot or making a quick move, he waited for the defender to come to him before proceeding to make 3 or 4 moves off of the dribble before taking a long, contested 2 pt shot. It completely negates Zion's gravity, and makes it so difficult to get an offensive rebound when he misses.

I was really hoping that he would become even better playing off of Zion. But he has clearly shown that he has no interest in being anything other than "the guy".
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
13522 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:23 am to
How much of BI ball stopping is by design and how much is it BI being greedy? Either option goes back to coaching. If it is by design it clearly isn't working, and hasn't whether Zion is on the court or not for a few years now. If it is BI being greedy then that is on Willie to actually coach and do something about it, whether that is sit him, call him out, etc.

I want BI to be great and stay here long term, but last season and 7 games into this season that is seeming like a pipe dream.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112642 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:26 am to
So far this season, Zion initiating his shot out of the post is just bad. Like probably below average not by Zion standards, but just by NBA player standards.

Still solid face up and off the dribble, but the post up/back to the basket thing needs to either improve vastly or just toss it out. It's gross right now


He's in year 5, and maybe twice per year he'll make that 10-12 foot turnaround jumper and it looks nice, and we all talk about how it's game over if he does that consistently. But again, it's year 5 and he does that once or twice a year, so seems pretty obvious that's not happening.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 10:29 am
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
31960 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:28 am to
Context too.

I've seen a few times where its legit 6 seconds left, throw it to BI and make him go iso ball for a middy.

Can't blame him for that.
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