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re: The fundamental flaw in Israel's "Hamas hides amongst civilian population" justification
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:24 am to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:24 am to Bunk Moreland
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I do find it strange that this board is skeptical of corporate media, the intel agencies, and Pentagon on almost everything, but hey Israel says there are some terrorists in these buildings, so let's take them at their word and cheer on killing 400 people at a time.
We don't have to believe Israel, it's a irrefutable historical fact. If Israel didn't have concern for others they would just flatten the entire city. That isn't what they are doing. So many on here are so weakened and soft, unable to separate their emotions from logic. That is the core problem with leftist.
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Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:25 am to TigerFan244
quote:For Ibrahim Biari, the coward terrorist who used the camp as cover, it was VERY discriminate.
Israel's recent bombing of he Jabalya refugee camp is just the latest example of indiscriminate bombing
Eventually, Gazans will have to physically distance themselves from subhominid terrorists. If they don't, they are nearly guaranteed collateral casualties.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:26 am to TigerFan244
I think the answer (although unpleasant) is that it's always been OK. I mean, to NOT do that would be a break in conventional warfare norms.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were effectively civilian targets so we did it too.
I think you are trying to inject some notion of "fairness" in a war. There is no "fair" in war and if you think there is, you've never participated in one. There is only winning or losing in war and you are going to do one or the other.
For Isreal to hold back, is just asking for more of this.
There are three options
1. Be conciliatory and make friends. Isreal tried this twice and the PLO rejected the terms.
2. Punish them so brutally that they quit pulling this BS for a while.
3. Suffer being attacked, having your people slaughtered and kidnapped.
Consider you are the leader of Isreal. Pick one...
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were effectively civilian targets so we did it too.
I think you are trying to inject some notion of "fairness" in a war. There is no "fair" in war and if you think there is, you've never participated in one. There is only winning or losing in war and you are going to do one or the other.
For Isreal to hold back, is just asking for more of this.
There are three options
1. Be conciliatory and make friends. Isreal tried this twice and the PLO rejected the terms.
2. Punish them so brutally that they quit pulling this BS for a while.
3. Suffer being attacked, having your people slaughtered and kidnapped.
Consider you are the leader of Isreal. Pick one...
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:29 am to TigerFan244
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when did it become OK to carpet bomb thousands of civilians to root out a few terrorists?
Uh..... They ain't carpet bombing.
And when? Before you were born.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:32 am to El Segundo Guy
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But in a war of retribution, it's all on the table. We wiped two Japanese cities off the map in WW2.
We destroyed way more than two Japanese cities during WW2. Look at some of the photos of Tokyo after our B-29's roasted it with incendiary bombs. Nagoya and Osaka (among others) were obliterated, too.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:33 am to TigerFan244
The whole of Palestine rejoiced on 9-11 and Oct. 7 of this year. Most are Islamists and hate Jews and would be fine if every single Jew were murdered. Their 'Religion' has failed them and they are now cursed with the darkness in their own hearts. 'Baking' kids in ovens and cutting the fetus out of a living mother is not the way to 'heaven' and condoning/enabling it is a sure path to hell. "Sew the wind and reap a whirlwind".
The Jews will not back off because they can't, lest they be destroyed. In their view, your, or the 'World's opinion' is not more morally authoritative than their right to live.
The Native Americans ('Indians') let it go and the rest of Islam/Arabs had better let this go or their cushy lives of luxury will go up in flames. I imagine that the Jews have told them this, in private. If they haven't, they will. And the coming destruction of Hamas via 'whatever it takes' will be witness to the veracity of their promise.
I wish it were not so, but that is where we are.
The Jews will not back off because they can't, lest they be destroyed. In their view, your, or the 'World's opinion' is not more morally authoritative than their right to live.
The Native Americans ('Indians') let it go and the rest of Islam/Arabs had better let this go or their cushy lives of luxury will go up in flames. I imagine that the Jews have told them this, in private. If they haven't, they will. And the coming destruction of Hamas via 'whatever it takes' will be witness to the veracity of their promise.
I wish it were not so, but that is where we are.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:34 am to TigerFan244
The flaw is folks sit on their couch and think they know how a war is prosecuted…. Civilian casualties are always terrible but it happens in war, especially when the combatants hide amongst the populace…
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:37 am to TigerFan244
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when did it become OK to carpet bomb thousands of civilians
Not a History guy I can see.
It is called collateral damage. In the Civil War the Union's march to the Atlantic comes to mind. The Huns raving villages lights up. How about WW11 in England, Germany, Russia, China and Japan
What about the Old Testament where troops were instructed to wipe out towns of every living thing; men women children, chicken cows .
Tell me you did not know any of this?
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:44 am to TigerFan244
quote:
However, when did it become OK to carpet bomb thousands of civilians to root out a few terrorists? I
Was the carpet bombing of Germany wrong?
They elected Hamas
They agree with Hamas
They cheered after Hamas attacked
They are complicit
Just like the Germans w/ Nazis
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:47 am to TigerFan244
It's not carpet bombing first of all. I hate civilians are caught in the middle of this. Just like I hated that the Germans and Japanese civilians paid high prices in WWII.
Do you understand how many civilians in Japan were killed when we fire bombed cities in Japan and the wooden homes they lived in ignited immediately. Those fire bombings killed more than the nukes we dropped on them.
Hamas only understands one thing and that is strength and overwhelming strength. The people will need to rise up and understand it is Hamas that has reigned this down upon them. Hamas has to be totally defeated and demoralized completely, which is what it took for Japan to finally give in.
Do you understand how many civilians in Japan were killed when we fire bombed cities in Japan and the wooden homes they lived in ignited immediately. Those fire bombings killed more than the nukes we dropped on them.
Hamas only understands one thing and that is strength and overwhelming strength. The people will need to rise up and understand it is Hamas that has reigned this down upon them. Hamas has to be totally defeated and demoralized completely, which is what it took for Japan to finally give in.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:48 am to TigerFan244
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First let me say what Hamas did is atrocious and every single one of them needs to be hunted down and eliminated.
Unless they hide among civilians, right?
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However, when did it become OK to carpet bomb thousands of civilians to root out a few terrorists?
Are you serious? This is war, my dude.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:49 am to TigerFan244
Israel hasn’t “carpet bombed”. It has targeted sites where both Hamas
and civilians happen to be. The US and the Allies had to dothe same
In WWII. The US took out civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan when it had no real choice.
and civilians happen to be. The US and the Allies had to dothe same
In WWII. The US took out civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan when it had no real choice.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:52 am to VOR
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VOR
Israel hasn’t “carpet bombed”. It has targeted sites where both Hamas
and civilians happen to be.
You're arguing nuance with a guy who doesn't understand anything about the situation on the ground in Gaza.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:54 am to TigerFan244
I’m sure if Russia or China ever invades the US, they will leave good people like you alone.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:56 am to TigerFan244
quote:There wasnt a bastard in the twin towers that did anything to sow seeds of hate...they were killed.
only sowing more seeds of hate
We can go on and on. Until Arabs decide to root out terrorists and quit funding them, empowering them, harboring them, nurturing them there will be no other solution.
They are intertwined together, these terrorists are not growing isolated from the populace. They are part of the fabric.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:57 am to Bunk Moreland
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I do find it strange that this board is skeptical of corporate media, the intel agencies, and Pentagon on almost everything, but hey Israel says there are some terrorists in these buildings, so let's take them at their word and cheer on killing 400 people at a time.
The same ppl willingly acknowledge that Israeli intelligence worked with Epstein and maxwell to compromise our leadership at the expense of truly innocent children who experienced horrible things. They acknowledge Israel's hand in the R&D of the vaccines and their pioneering surveillance tech and authoritarian measures used during covid.
Mossads creed: "by way of deception we shall do war" but somehow zionist indoctrinated conservatives believe they are fighting in God's name while Israelis refuse to Acknowledge our savior Jesus Christ (1 john 2:22-23 tells us what this means) and bomb Christian churches killing innocent civilian.
It's the biggest hoodwink I've ever seen
This post was edited on 11/1/23 at 9:00 am
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:57 am to TigerFan244
Member how the Kurds barely had any Isis incursion?
Ask yourself why and there is your answer.
Ask yourself why and there is your answer.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:57 am to TigerFan244
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They need to stop the killing now otherwise they are only sowing more seeds of hate and anti-Israel sentiments with every innocent life lost.
Get the frick out of here with this shite Rashida. Or is this AOC? There is absolutely nothing that will stop these people from perpetual war. Unless they are all wiped from existence.
This post was edited on 11/1/23 at 8:58 am
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:59 am to TigerFan244
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I have friends from the middle east who hate Hamas
Ask them about the jews. If your friends don't sound like hamas, you've got some cafeteria muslims.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:59 am to Bunk Moreland
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I do find it strange that this board is skeptical of corporate media, the intel agencies, and Pentagon on almost everything, but hey Israel says there are some terrorists in these buildings, so let's take them at their word and cheer on killing 400 people at a time.
What does Israel have to gain from killing 400 civilians?
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