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re: Why didn't Jordan Jefferson play earlier in the season?
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:19 pm to LSURYAN
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:19 pm to LSURYAN
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3rd string doesnt get the same plays or the same preparation
last year Lee was 4th string and he supposedly got all this valuable practice time
and going into auburn (just like JJ going into Ole Miss), Lee was 2nd string
Lee got a full week with the 1st tring going into miss state, and JJ got a full week going into arkansas
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:28 pm to LSURYAN
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you play with heart and you do what you have to do for your team
Like avoid getting injured when there is only one other QB ready to play?
Why the frick do you think most every QB slides?
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if you dont like getting hit, stick to dance recitals
That's a great attitude for every other postition on the field. All other positions cans be easily replaced or substituted.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:34 pm to LSUfan4444
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Lee got a full week with the 1st tring going into miss state, and JJ got a full week going into arkansas
dude, let it go....jj is better and WILL continue to be better than lee....next year you will see jj starting with russell shepherd somewhere on the field....jj is a better candidate to run the crowton style offense....i like lee, but the coaches are the ones that fricked him up....
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:35 pm to Towelie
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Like avoid getting injured when there is only one other QB ready to play?
have you ever played organized football or any organized sports for that matter??
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:37 pm to LSUfan4444
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Lee got a full week with the 1st tring going into miss state, and JJ got a full week going into arkansas
Lee also got a 27 carry, 141 yard, 2 TD performance from the Chuckwagon and the O-line.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:40 pm to Hideo Nomo
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Lee also got a 27 carry, 141 yard, 2 TD performance from the Chuckwagon and the O-line.
man, are you nuts, lee did it all by himself!!
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:43 pm to LSUfan4444
You are still trying to act like Lee did not split time as the #1 in spring, summer, and fall. Hatch was not named starter until game week #1, and even then Lee was expected to see significant time.
Lee should have been heads and shoulders above Jefferson from a preparation stand point.
Lee should have been heads and shoulders above Jefferson from a preparation stand point.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:47 pm to LSURYAN
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have you ever played organized football or any organized sports for that matter??
No. Never. I'm more into dungeons and dragons. World of Warcraft is pretty sweet as well.
I watch the movies Tron and Lawnmower Man all the time. What do you like to do? Wanna play online laser tag sometime? I'm gonna log onto AOL later and do some chatting if you wanna hang.
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:49 pm to Hideo Nomo
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Lee also got a 27 carry, 141 yard, 2 TD performance from the Chuckwagon and the O-line.
Lee also had more pressure with every pass he threw
i mean, we can find advantages and disadvantages both qb's had, but bottom line is simple and canot be debated because it is fact
In his first game and a half of SEC play JJ has completed less than 50% (including all of his drops and throw aways) of his passes and led LSU to a 0-2 record against Ole Miss and Arkansas (the worst defense in the sec). In his first full game as a starter he led LSU to 9 total 4th quarter yards.
In his first game and a half of SEC play Lee completed almost 60% of his passes (including his int's and pick 6's) andledLSu to a 2-0 record against Auburn and Miss State.
JJ may endwinning the starting job and Lee might never step on the field again, BUT if you think you have seen enough from JJ after a game and a halfto make that assesment you are full of shite and onlylooking for justification. If you look at cold hard stats, Lee wins in just about every category.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:52 pm to diamondtiger
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Hatch was not named starter until game week #1
Miles never names his starter early, and won't again next year. It doesn't mean he doesn't know who the starter is.
Jefferson got a good look this fall, and the coaches had VERY high hopes for him. They saw something (or didn't see something) in fall and early this season to tried to redshirt him. Itwas pretty obvious to me when half the playbook dissapeared when he took over against ole missand against arkansas, the coaches still don't trust him to run the full gambit of plays.
Hopefully that changes later this month.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:52 pm to diamondtiger
quote:Sounds like a fair and valid point. Jefferson had a lot of catching up to do.
Lee should have been heads and shoulders above Jefferson from a preparation stand point.
Those that think JJ can't definitively be THE man after just a few games have made some decent arguments. I think that the jury being out on JJ shouldn't automatically promote JLee to being the savior. It's still TBD on the kind of progress that he can make and whether or not he can recover from this season. He may be a tough kid and very strong mentally or he may not be. The jury is still out on him as well.
Back on point of why didn't JJ play earlier. There were a few missed opportunities, but they could all be argued one way or another reasonably.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:54 pm to diamondtiger
im still wondering if towelie has ever played competitive organized sports..
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:04 pm to LSUfan4444
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Lee also had more pressure with every pass he threw
He did? See, one would expect that a productive ground game would mean that Lee had less pressure to move the ball down the field for his team. Scott was churning out 5-6 ypc in quite a few games this year. I don't think anyone expected a RS FR to carry this offense, but most people were a bit put off by the way our starting quarterback was not only turning the ball over at a high rate, but also consistently spotting the other team points.
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In his first game and a half of SEC play JJ has completed less than 50% (including all of his drops and throw aways) of his passes and led LSU to a 0-2 record against Ole Miss and Arkansas (the worst defense in the sec). In his first full game as a starter he led LSU to 9 total 4th quarter yards.
In his first game and a half of SEC play Lee completed almost 60% of his passes (including his int's and pick 6's) andledLSu to a 2-0 record against Auburn and Miss State.
This is absolutely true, but I think it's evident that Jefferson's mobility and relative lack of costly mistakes more than make up for that ~10% difference in completion percentage (and let us not forget that Lee was 40% against Tulane, with a monster ground game; Lee's performance in the first half against Alabama was similarly dismal considering the outstanding play of the rest of the team in the same time period). It is unfortunate that Jefferson was either not ready or at the very least not trusted earlier in the season, as it would've been interesting to see what he could've done when the offensive line play was worth a shite.
I have seen enough from both quarterbacks, not just statistically but in demeanor and decision making, to conclude that Jefferson is the best quarterback for Gary Crowton's offense at this point in time. I make no assumptions as to what strides either quarterback will make in the offseason, or as to what impact Russell Shepard will have, but I know that for the upcoming bowl game I will be much more comfortable seeing Jefferson at QB.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:12 pm to LSURYAN
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im still wondering if towelie has ever played competitive organized sports..
You want my resume?
Coach Guidry always told me I should never dive for a first down.
I'm not sure what your coach told you.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:23 pm to TheDoc
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i'll take a smart QB with a lower % completion rate, than a dumb one with a slightly higher comp %, but leads the country in pick 6's.
were you a fan of Marcus Randall?
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:24 pm to Towelie
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Coach Guidry always told me I should never dive for a first down
right, because in the midst of the play you have time to justify getting the first down or getting hurt because there is only one qb behind you
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:28 pm to Hideo Nomo
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He did? See, one would expect that a productive ground game would mean that Lee had less pressure to move the ball down the field for his team.
i don't mean pressure from the d-line, i mean pressure from the situation
Lee was fighting from behond against a top 10 team on the road fighting to keep its national title and SEC hopes alive and the outcome of the game practically hinged on every one of Lee's passes
LSU was never really in the game against Ole Miss (even after his td pass) IMO, and the game against arkansas is proving to be quite irrelevant
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I think it's evident that Jefferson's mobility and relative lack of costly mistakes more than make up for that
i don't know about that. which is why i think everyone needs to slow their roll a bit
i like the mobility JJ brings to the table, BUT i think he was forcedtouse his mobility alot due to a lack of him grasping the situation pre snap, not anticipating the through and holding on to the ball a little too much
in time he can improve those things, but the accuracy worries me the most
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let us not forget that Lee was 40% against Tulane
agreed, but i just think the only comparison we can make now (albeit still a bad one) is the amountof games they have played in parallel
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I have seen enough from both quarterbacks
i just can't see how
after this miss state game, most of the fan base was convinced Lee had turned the corner and gave us alegit shot to beat UF. we see now, we just didn't have enough time to make a fair assessment
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:33 pm to LSURYAN
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right, because in the midst of the play you have time to justify getting the first down or getting hurt because there is only one qb behind you
Exactly, quarterbacks must make smart, rational, split second decisions in the midst of a play.
I'm glad you finally understand.
You might not have enough brain power to analyze all that info so quickly but some people do. The people that can process all that make great QB's.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:34 pm to LSUfan4444
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after this miss state game, most of the fan base was convinced Lee had turned the corner and gave us alegit shot to beat UF. we see now, we just didn't have enough time to make a fair assessment
i say play them both next year....them two at qb and russell shepherd as a "percy harvin" shite, we would be unstoppable
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:35 pm to Towelie
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Coach Guidry always told me I should never dive for a first down.
as in Benton High?
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