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re: Why didn't Jordan Jefferson play earlier in the season?
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:41 pm to Skillet
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:41 pm to Skillet
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At what point in the season did Les say that JJ was going to get some playing time?
it was said all offseason, then went on hold after the miss state game, then picked up again after georgia
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:42 pm to LSURYAN
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Its the coaches job to evaluate talent and if they cant see that JJ has more talent than the other two, they both need to be replaced.
Undoubtedly there is a HUGE difference between talent and know-how. Jefferson has all the tools to get himself in a position to be able to make the throws. Likewise, he has the arm to throw it to the spot. The factor that he was yet to grasp was where to throw it and when to throw it. This comes with time. Lee had a whole year to learn the offense while carrying the clip board last year. JJ had a few months to learn this offense and he did a good job when he finally was "ready". To be honest, he's been physically ready to play because of all that talent. He wasn't yet ready mentally because he couldn't work through this in his sleep.
He'll be a force to be reckoned with once that talent is matched with the supreme know-how!
GEAUX TIGERS!
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:46 pm to ShortyRob
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You guys should really consider the fact that JJ was facing a defense that was rated BEHIND LSUs!!!! And, he went 9 for 21.
I'll agree that the numbers were not magic. How many drops did the receiving corp have(again)? Add a couple of basic catches from the drops and you have a better than par performance.
Just saying....
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:50 pm to LSURYAN
He completed 9 passes against a defense that gave up 31 points to Mistake? 
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:51 pm to TheDoc
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do the words "pick" and "six" mean anything to you?
So, when looking at the performances, your ENTIRE criteria is this?
So, if a QB went 1 for 40 but with no ints or pick sixes, it would be better than Lee's performance in in the AU and Miss St games?
Odd thinking there.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:52 pm to LSUfan4444
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are you serious?
ummmm...yes, i guess you have a selective memory.....i guess you dont remember the game where lee took off running for the 1st down and jumped out of bounds BEFORE getting the first because someone was coming to clean his clock...thats not heart
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:54 pm to HoumaTigerFan
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I'll agree that the numbers were not magic. How many drops did the receiving corp have(again)? Add a couple of basic catches from the drops and you have a better than par performance
Ya know. I haven't checked but I'll bet my paycheck there were some "drops" in the AU and Miss St games.
Just saying.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:54 pm to LSUfan4444
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i just wonn't convince myself that when i see the guy i root for complete less than 50% of his passes against the worst defense in the SEC and LSU go 0-2 that i just saw the answer to LSU's qb problems.
just happened to be a true freshman, not properly prepared by THE COACHES, and on the road in the SEC...by the way, did he throw a pick six?? i think you should be worrying about the shitty defense that couldnt stop one of the worst offenses in the SEC....
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:55 pm to HoumaTigerFan
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How many drops did the receiving corp have(again)?
this is true, but only bringing up drops for one qb isn't fair
i think comparing the two (right now) from whatwe have fans have seen (a game and a half) is just stupid
what's even more stupid are people who think they have seen enough from both qb's to make an accurate definitive decision on who has more potential moving forward and who shouldbe LSU's qb in 09 and beyond
what's even more stupid are those people who definitively believe that qb is JJ when in the same time frame Lee has outperformed JJ in just about every category....except in scrambling/running, and pick six's, BUT he made that up in w's
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:59 pm to Skillet
yes he looked good in first half- but when it came to crunch time on the 45 we needed just 10 yds we got nothing on 3 plays.
but yes he is better than Lee and should have played earlier
but yes he is better than Lee and should have played earlier
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:00 pm to LSURYAN
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just happened to be a true freshman
you are right. imagine all the valuable time Lee got last year as the 4th string qb. i mean, he was our TC McCaretney last year, and we all know how much McCartneyhas been running with the first 2 teams
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not properly prepared by THE COACHES
i guess Lee was prepared by a different coaching staff?
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on the road in the SEC
i guess arkansas is a much tougher place to play that @ Auburn when they are ranked in the top 10 and you are down by 10 points ?
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:01 pm to ShortyRob
I do not believe Jefferson should have started at the beginning of the season, but the question was why didn't he play? The problem was he got almost no work at all versus North Texas, App. State, and Tulane (the worst decision was this game). Whether Jefferson was 100% ready was a luxury LSU could not afford this year. You had a QB (Hatch) that basicly all he does is run, in the SEC this is asking to lose your QB which is what happened. Then knowing Lee is a stationary target (and could get hurt as well which is what happened), after Hatch gets hurt you give Jefferson no valuable work in the Tulane game. I believe the coaches could have had a simple package of 6-10 plays (not just hand-offs) for Jefferson even versus Tulane. This is when I heard the most complaints. Not playing him versus Tulane was a missed opportunity. No one can deny this
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:02 pm to kltiger
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needed just 10 yds we got nothing on 3 plays.
we didn't 10 yards the whole 4th quarter
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:02 pm to heartbreakTiger
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lee broke records as a freshman
and he threw another one in the ole miss game.
but the DB dropped it.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:04 pm to LSURYAN
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i guess you dont remember the game where lee took off running for the 1st down and jumped out of bounds BEFORE getting the first because someone was coming to clean his clock...thats not heart
Sounds like smart QB play to me. Andrew Hatch would agree.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:04 pm to LSUfan4444
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when i see the guy i root for complete less than 50% of his passes
did you watch the game at all?
or do you close your eyes when he's on the field?
he threw away passes, instead of forcing it.
hence no picks, or pick 6's.
and his receivers had the dropsies as well.
i'll take a smart QB with a lower % completion rate, than a dumb one with a slightly higher comp %, but leads the country in pick 6's.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:14 pm to TheDoc
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did you watch the game at all?
yes. i have watched ever game this season at least twice. some more than others
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do you close your eyes when he's on the field?
only when i blink
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he threw away passes, instead of forcing it.
of course he did
so (in their first game and a half as THE GUY in the sec) JJ throwing them away and all his drops leads to him completing less than 50% of his passes
AND
(in their first game and a half as THE GUY in the sec) including the pick 6's AND forcing passes Lee still completed a higher % @ 59%
hmmm...what are you missing there?
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he threw away passes, instead of forcing it.
hence no picks, or pick 6's
no picks? he threw one against ole miss
his recievers were also alot more "covered" because he didn't anticipate many routes very well. he waited on his recievers to get open instead of anticipating the throw, which led to him hanging on tothe ball longer, protection breaking down and either a) scrambling b) sack or c) throwing it away
any way you look at it, he led LSU to 9 4th quarter yards against the worst defense in the SEC
throwing it away is great. not throwing int'sis also great, BUT the bottom line is moving the ball, scoring points and winning games is what matters and largely, JJ didn't do it very well in his first SEC game and a half
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i'll take a smart QB with a lower % completion rate
how the frick do you know JJ is smarter?
half the plybook went out the window when he because the guy, but he gets no blame for that?
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:16 pm to LSUfan4444
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i guess Lee was prepared by a different coaching staff?
they had jj at 3rd string....3rd string doesnt get the same plays or the same preparation
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:17 pm to LSUfan4444
JJ very well indeed may be "smarter", but for you to sit there after watching JJ play sparingly for most of the season, then after 1 1/2 games in which is was largely outplayed and think you somewhow have any clue of who is smarter is ridiculous
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:17 pm to Towelie
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Sounds like smart QB play to me. Andrew Hatch would agree.
you play with heart and you do what you have to do for your team....if you dont like getting hit, stick to dance recitals
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