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re: Are Young Men Truly Lost?
Posted on 10/1/23 at 6:38 pm to EarlyCuyler3
Posted on 10/1/23 at 6:38 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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More of a parenting issue though, isn't it?
I think that's probably less common than we think it is. This board skews towards white middle class at the least, so it'd definitely be represented more with this demographic.
For the most part, yeah. I think men who simp also play a big part too. But it's also like that in schools, the justice system, employment, and by most men up until a few years ago.
It's mostly an Anglosphere thing rather than a "white" thing. We're the world's most progressive countries on women's rights that it's gotten to the point that equality feels like oppression to them.
It's true but a lot of men are gaslight by feminists, liberals, and Boomers into thinking they are the problem. It's just kicking the can down the road. A lot of people were saying something similar about China's one child policy and the huge supply of single men but were ignored and now they have a demographic problem that is pretty much unfixable. I don't want the something to happen to America.
This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 6:50 pm
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Posted on 10/1/23 at 6:39 pm to OceanTiger83
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What are your thoughts on this type of fantasy? Do you think these are the type of fantasies that are hurting men (both young and old) with interacting with women in real life?
That shite right there is definitely not helping your chances.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 6:42 pm to Rick9Plus
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That shite right there is definitely not helping your chances.
In what way? Not mocking, truly curious.
This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 10/1/23 at 6:48 pm to OceanTiger83
Multiple people are getting to this, but I'll cut to what I think is the chase.
Women don't date gamer tags, profiles, etc. They date people. If you're not interesting, chicks aren't interested. If you're a dork, go to the closest Renaissance Fest and carry a turkey leg around. Talk about BattleTech, The Witcher, or the the John Wick Universe. Someone there cares, or knows some girl that cares.
Have a conversation that doesn't have "getting a girlfriend" as the conclusion. Never be a simp and be desperate, even liberal women will recoil from that garbage.
Women don't date gamer tags, profiles, etc. They date people. If you're not interesting, chicks aren't interested. If you're a dork, go to the closest Renaissance Fest and carry a turkey leg around. Talk about BattleTech, The Witcher, or the the John Wick Universe. Someone there cares, or knows some girl that cares.
Have a conversation that doesn't have "getting a girlfriend" as the conclusion. Never be a simp and be desperate, even liberal women will recoil from that garbage.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 6:48 pm to OceanTiger83
Brother, if women even get a hint you are even aware of that kind of stuff, they'll run for the hills.
I don't mean this in a negative way or condescending way at all, but the way you talk about this stuff tends to scream incel-type behavior fairly often.
I don't mean this in a negative way or condescending way at all, but the way you talk about this stuff tends to scream incel-type behavior fairly often.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 6:49 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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Just get after it
Think of it as Brownian motion.
Keep moving.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 6:49 pm to OceanTiger83
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In what way? Not mocking, truly curious.
Putting it very simply: if a woman heard or found out you were into torture and humiliation fantasies, or even going around asking people if they are into it, she will not want to date you. She will be afraid that you will want to torture and humiliate her.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 7:02 pm to Rick9Plus
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She will be afraid that you will want to torture and humiliate her.
I'm as conservative as they come, but this is underestimated. Women are like deer, they're usually on edge, all the time (girls from Manchester excepted, I have no idea how they do what they do, getting trashed in freezing weather wearing nothing.)
If I'm behind a woman, 10-15 paces, I either cross the street, slow down, or pass her, so she doesn't feel the menace of some dude she can't see bearing down on her. It's not hard not to be creepy.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 7:03 pm to Rick9Plus
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Putting it very simply: if a woman heard or found out you were into torture and humiliation fantasies, or even going around asking people if they are into it, she will not want to date you. She will be afraid that you will want to torture and humiliate her.
I'm dropping my flag here for clueless dudes on this thread to sincerely ask
Do women not want to be tortured or humiliated during sex on the reg?
Posted on 10/1/23 at 7:07 pm to mahdragonz
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I'm dropping my flag here for clueless dudes on this thread to sincerely ask
Do women not want to be tortured or humiliated during sex on the reg?
Not the stable, let's have a relationship type.
Crazy ones, sure.
You have to actually be in a relationship already to gain their trust before trying kinky stuff. You give those red flags early on and they're gone.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 7:08 pm to OceanTiger83
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I know for me I haven't had sex in just over 3 years and have no prospects on the horizon for ending that.
This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 10/1/23 at 7:18 pm to OceanTiger83
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What are your thoughts on this type of fantasy? Do you think these are the type of fantasies that are hurting men (both young and old) with interacting with women in real life?
Anyone that fantasizes about that wouldn’t be capable of interacting with women in any normal way unless they’re a true psycho and can hide their feelings.
I mean, there have always been nerds but JFC.
This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 10/1/23 at 7:19 pm to OceanTiger83
Get in the game. Sounds like you have given up.
Women are looking everywhere for men, confident men. Get your mind right and don’t worry about failure.
Imo, now is a great chance for men that have their lives together to find an incredible woman. Most have given up like you have and aren’t even trying.
Time to man up.
Women are looking everywhere for men, confident men. Get your mind right and don’t worry about failure.
Imo, now is a great chance for men that have their lives together to find an incredible woman. Most have given up like you have and aren’t even trying.
Time to man up.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 7:25 pm to mahdragonz
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tortured or humiliated during sex on the reg?
I think the problem is the way it is referred to. Torture and humiliation makes me uncomfortable. Do many women also like to know that their man has strong hands, or flips them over without asking? Sure.
But using those two words are a bridge too far, if you're not already dating someone that has shown they are into it.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 7:30 pm to SquatchDawg
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Anyone that fantasizes about that wouldn’t be capable of interacting with women in any normal way unless they’re a true psycho. I mean, there have always been nerds but JFC.
You all do realize these fantasies aren't about real people right? It's typically about animated video game characters or at worst superheroines in a TV show or movie. We're not talking about real woman getting humiliated or beat up here.
And heck a lot of times the ryona shots are fictional women beating up other fictional women. More and more of it from what I've heard is actually becoming AI generated.
Obviously I wouldn't let a woman know until we were dating but I would never treat a woman with anything but respect and care in real life.
This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 10/1/23 at 7:32 pm to OceanTiger83
See, just trying to explain it rationally is not going to work. Just don't mention it AT ALL.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 7:35 pm to OceanTiger83
I will say this. As an experiment I have a few days left on a popular dating app. In the last two days I have swiped right to just over 500 women each day (and before you say how long does that take, give or take 5 - 10 minutes, not long).
Statistically I should get at least 10 matches doing that even if I'm not that attractive. 10 matches out of 1,000 is 1%. If I can't even get that then I know online dating is largely hopeless.
For the matches I get I'm going to go all chad (hate doing it but to use an incel term) and just cut straight to the case. I'm going to ask them if they want to meet up and just do a one night stand.
Like many of you here have said I have to get this drought off my back. Plus I've played nice guy for too long on these apps and in real life and it's gotten me no where. While it may seem like an ahole move to make it's going to be interesting to see if I have any success with this strategy.
Like some of you have said. With so many men dropping out of the dating scene that alone should increase my odds.
Statistically I should get at least 10 matches doing that even if I'm not that attractive. 10 matches out of 1,000 is 1%. If I can't even get that then I know online dating is largely hopeless.
For the matches I get I'm going to go all chad (hate doing it but to use an incel term) and just cut straight to the case. I'm going to ask them if they want to meet up and just do a one night stand.
Like many of you here have said I have to get this drought off my back. Plus I've played nice guy for too long on these apps and in real life and it's gotten me no where. While it may seem like an ahole move to make it's going to be interesting to see if I have any success with this strategy.
Like some of you have said. With so many men dropping out of the dating scene that alone should increase my odds.
This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 10/1/23 at 7:37 pm to OceanTiger83
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You all do realize these fantasies aren't about real people right? It's typically about animated video game characters or at worst superheroines in a TV show or movie. We're not talking about real woman getting humiliated or beat up here.
Bruh, this aint helping your case.
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And heck a lot of times the ryona shots are fictional women beating up other fictional women. More and more of it from what I've heard is actually becoming AI generated.
Again, this isnt actually better.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 7:40 pm to OceanTiger83
youre doing it wrong
you have to play it cool, push for the link but play it cool
they have to check your vibe in person. if they feel it, the pussy will come.
they are mainly looking for anyone breathing thats not a creep or desparate.
just pretend like you do this all the time and dont mention any of your weird fantasy shite, ever
you have to play it cool, push for the link but play it cool
they have to check your vibe in person. if they feel it, the pussy will come.
they are mainly looking for anyone breathing thats not a creep or desparate.
just pretend like you do this all the time and dont mention any of your weird fantasy shite, ever
Posted on 10/1/23 at 7:49 pm to OceanTiger83
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You all do realize these fantasies aren't about real people right? It's typically about animated video game characters or at worst superheroines in a TV show or movie. We're not talking about real woman getting humiliated or beat up here. And heck a lot of times the ryona shots are fictional women beating up other fictional women. More and more of it from what I've heard is actually becoming AI generated.
Look..you might be a great guy…but the first thing *I* think when I read this is “what kind of a weirdo watches and fantasizes about THIS shite” …. and Im an old married guy who seen some petty raunchy stuff in my time. What do you think a woman is going to think? It’s the dating equivalent of telling her you like to pull the wings off bugs and torture puppies.
The other more serious question is what is going on in your head to where you enjoy animated sexual humiliation and does that help your psyche when it comes to interacting with women? Not criticizing you as we’ve all gone to some dark places but walking it back from that kind of stuff and porn in general can’t hurt.
You only learn to interact with women by interacting with women. Get some friends and go out one night and talk shite to everyone at the bar (without getting your arse kicked). Don’t hit on them…just talk shite. You need some reps.
This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 7:53 pm
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