OceanTiger83

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Just curious- have you ever abused animals/pets in your past?

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Absolutely never. I mean yes I've killed bugs and ants in my place but other than that absolutely not. And I think we've all killed bugs and ants in our places of residence. :lol:

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Anyone that fantasizes about that wouldn’t be capable of interacting with women in any normal way unless they’re a true psycho. I mean, there have always been nerds but JFC.

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You all do realize these fantasies aren't about real people right? It's typically about animated video game characters or at worst superheroines in a TV show or movie. We're not talking about real woman getting humiliated or beat up here.

And heck a lot of times the ryona shots are fictional women beating up other fictional women. More and more of it from what I've heard is actually becoming AI generated.

Obviously I wouldn't let a woman know until we were dating but I would never treat a woman with anything but respect and care in real life.

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Jesus Christ no wonder you can’t get laid.

Just go to Istanbul and quit bothering us

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While I enjoy some games here and there (especially sports games) I wouldn't categorize myself as a gamer. I definitely don't spend hours and hours playing like most gamers do. I'll easily go a week sometimes without playing at all which is more than a lot of other posters here can say. Honestly I'm not even good enough to call myself a gamer. :lol:

I was just bringing up some of the big fantasies I've heard some men having and I know this is a big one in the gamer/nerd/anime community.

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Grown men physically upset about an amateur sport baffles me. Must live sad lives.

I watch for entertainment, but move on after the whistle.

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I'm well beyond the point where it ruins my day. After 2018 I was done with my Saints fandom having that level of impact on my life and I think it was the same for a lot of Saints fan. I cheer for the team but if they lose then it is what it is.

If I was a fan going to the games I would be more upset about wasting good money for terrible entertainment. As I said in the post above definitely not traveling to NOLA to see this horrible level of offensive play. I have better things to do with my money and time and I'm sure a lot of other Saints fan do as well.

I see myself calling it a season early if it doesn't turn around quick.

Terrace Level but right at the 50 yard line. Listed it on SeatGeek for $56.

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I found myself wondering something recently while watching that survival show alone. These are pretty competent men on the show, some are really tough. And many don’t make it a week out there.

Now think about guys like Louis and Clark who set out into unknown wilderness facing all the same dangers on top of hostile natives, and they survived. How fricking hardass those guys then had to be. A completely different type of person that probably doesn’t exist in this world anymore.

All the sailors braving the Atlantic to the new world, colonists building towns and cities on untamed land, the pioneers moving out west. We study it in history but I don’t think we truly appreciate just how hard those men were to do that

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And it's both sides who have lost it as well. I've watched the survival show Alone and find it truly fascinating. No stupid challenges and no cameramen, they truly are alone and can truly die out there.

There are definitely some competent and tough men and women on that show. Heck Callie would've made it 100 days on I think Season 7 if she wasn't forced to be medically evacuated. She made it longer than several winners from other seasons.

I'll admit I would be one of those people who wouldn't make it a week out there. I'd probably wouldn't make it more than 3 or 4 days.

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I think this is a thought a lot of men have had, but the conclusion I reach is 'oh well'.

There are no rules here.

A lot of men in here getting upset that the dating world has changed. Saying the rules have changed is a cop out because, if there were any rules to begin with, they heavily favored men. Women have, through whatever means (again, no rules), become more independent in the last half century and they have more autonomy in choosing their mates.

Are they making the best choices? I don't know, and it doesn't matter. They aren't my choices, they aren't men's choices. They are individual choices made my by individual women who have the freedom to do so. If a women doesn't choose me, great. Why would I want to be with a woman who doesn't think I'm attractive and/or doesn't want a relationship with me. When there is attraction both ways, you should know it. At least that's been my experience. If you aren't attracting women, stop blaming them and work on yourself. And no, I don't mean go to the gym and get angry. Stay in shape, dress well according to what you like, and be confident in yourself. If you don't know how to do that, go to therapy.

Frankly, and this board is a huge example of why I write this, a lot of yall are going to end up single and miserable with the way you view women. The lack of respect, especially knowing some of yall have daughters, is gross. I don't know if that's genetic or if it's learned from other shitty men, but it makes me happy that my father was a deadbeat and not someone who gave me a false sense of idealism when it came to women.

And sure, downvote away, soyboy, etc. I'm happily married, have never had issues with understanding attraction, and I expect this to be quoted with the disapproving head shakes and deragotory comments. Again, maybe look at yourself.

If you're lost in life, figure it the frick out. If you're lost with women, figure it the frick out. You have the entirety of all the information in the world at your fingertips. You angry at the dating world? Nobody cares. Like I learned the hard way, nobody is coming to save you.

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No downvote from me, I think almost all of what you said is spot on. I know for me personally I hate being this way, I just feel broken when it comes to dating. Like what is really left out there for me at my age anyway? Being 39 I'm not going be pulling in some woman between 25-30 and in her prime.

Heck just being on some of the dating apps makes me not even want to bother. It's all bitter women, women who are divorced and/or have kids and women who look more like men than other women.

I feel like I'd have to badly settle if I want to be in a relationship and I'm not ready or willing to do that. Maybe it's wrong to think that way, maybe I'm not being mature, but that's how my brain thinks.

I guess I just don't see the light at the end of the tunnel. I'm in the forest and don't really know how to get out. I've tried social groups, meetups, online dating, fitness classes, even a church group one time and genuinely nothing has worked for me. More and more I'm seeing it's not just me that none of these ideas have worked for either. It's a major societal issue.

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Go to a bar. Buy girl drinks, talk, sex. You will strike out in this process, but one will be in the same boat as you and break her slump.
If you want a girlfriend, do the same but start with coffee shop, gym, church type settings. They’re not just going to knock on your door.

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I just don't know if I even care anymore. I have such apathy about everything currently I just don't know if I have it in me. Part of me wonders if I've actually become asexual. :lol:

But in all seriousness it seems pretty hopeless.

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I think you’re thinking too much. Just say hi and smile…after a few meetings kick it up a notch and ask what she’s up to…want to get a coffee? Chill man, they’re humans and aren’t going to bite.

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But now where do you even interact with women outside your social circle nowadays? People aren't going to bars and clubs as much anymore and while those places are okay for one night stands they really aren't the best for real relationships.

More people are working from home than ever before. Plus the workplace due to #MeToo is now off the table. Inflation and COVID have caused people to stay home more and more. Our society is built around getting everywhere by car and not by walking around. There really aren't that many places to meet the other sex organically anymore. Again statistics now show 50% of relationships start online which is a huge disadvantage for men.

Never mind that in the #MeToo age if you're attractive sure the woman won't mind if you approach. If you're even average though not only are you likely to get a no but you're risking public humiliation, getting kicked out of whatever establishment you're in and possibly even being accused of harassment. The risks of blindly approaches are far higher now.

Men are "Lost"

Warning this does link to a CNN youtube video but surprisingly it's done without any real political rhetoric which is nice for a change.

As someone who has struggled with dating myself I am both relieved and sad. Relieved that I'm not the only man struggling in this new dating world but really sad that we are probably going to lose entire generations of men because of militant feminism.

To me both the man and woman guest speakers bring up points most women don't want to bring up. But more than anything the problem I see is that the roles and rules have changed but no one has told men what the new rules are. As women are now working and no longer need men to be the breadwinner that role has been taken away. As the U.S. loses more and more manufacturing and there is a switch more to services, health care and technology that means less jobs that men would traditionally take and more jobs women would traditionally take.

Education stats are of course well established now and revealing. Women are earning more degrees and in general outpacing men at all levels of higher education. But unlike men these same women refuse to date non college educated men.

You also have the results of the #MeToo movement where the rules of the dating game have changed. Meeting a woman in the workplace, even if they don't work in your direct area and you have no managerial control over them, is now out of the question. Meeting women at bars/clubs could result in you getting kicked out, laughed at or even having the woman do a YouTube video on you to destroy you for the world to see. In most social settings now there's way too much risk for the man to approach, but women still want to have their cake and eat it too and still largely refuse to approach themselves.

When it comes to the dating game the rules have been changed but no one has told men what the new rules are and really have any new rules really been established? It's no different than if the refs at a football game told the teams at halftime that the rules for the second half will be completely different but you won't know what those rules are. It's resulted now in 50% of new relationships being formed with online dating and online dating being the default for dating.

The problem is online dating really only works for the top 20% of men and if you aren't in that top 20% you are essentially invisible.

I also like how they talk about where this will go. We all know that history teaches us what happens to countries where a lot of young men can't date and/or get sex. Those are countries where governments are toppled, violence soars, extremist groups take hold and the economy suffers. The old saying applies, if you have nothing you have nothing to lose.

Think about it this way. We're giving young men (including myself though I'm not really young anymore) nothing to lose. Nothing to fight for. If something really did pop off with China or Iran does the U.S. really think young men are going to fight for a country that does nothing for them? I think it's a big reason military recruitment is down so much. What is there for these men to truly fight for? In many ways they would be fighting for a country that openly hates them.

I don't know if I see any realistic way out of this. Does any of this match what you all are seeing in your lives? If so what solutions are there that could be realistically implemented?

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It’s really thought to frick up and go the wrong way in a diverging diamond. They have had them in the Atlanta area for 10 years and it really cuts down on the traffic.

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When I went through the first diverging diamond interchange here in Orlando it was definitely weird the first time. But honestly it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. If setup correctly you just follow traffic and it's really hard to frick up. Like you mentioned you almost have to intentionally try to go the wrong way.