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re: Has anyone provided evidence that the 2020 was not rigged?
Posted on 8/30/23 at 7:35 pm to Stealth Matrix
Posted on 8/30/23 at 7:35 pm to Stealth Matrix
quote:This saga is over...you just won't let it go...hence the continual PT posts about it.
You desperately mock my comment which should be supported universally by all Americans who want this saga to be over.
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This is because you're afraid to know the truth about what your team may have done.
I literally can say the same thing in response to you. You are afraid to know the truth because that would mean the lie they sold you is not true. Something you and a whole majority on this board could not fathom because you are so deep in to it.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 7:39 pm to thejuiceisloose
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Have you provided evidence that you don’t frick little boys in their assholes?
Please share, thanks!
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Waiting for your response, Mr. Burger Bearcat
Why? You guys trying to get enlightened on how to get away with that?
Posted on 8/30/23 at 7:41 pm to burger bearcat
It’s almost impossible to prove a negative. It is incumbent on those who say it was rigged to prove their assertion.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 7:41 pm to burger bearcat
This thread has no standing
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:03 pm to burger bearcat
quote:Has anyone proven burger bearcat isn't a child molester?
Has anyone provided evidence that the 2020 was not rigged?
Not saying 2020 was on the up-and-up, but the question is an unproveable.
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:15 pm to burger bearcat
The fact that no concrete evidence has been provided by folks under indictment that election was rigged proves it was legitimate and the minimum voter fraud cases found would not have changed outcome. Where is 45s evidence he has been sitting on for 2 plus yrs?
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:27 pm to burger bearcat
Let’s get real for a minute:
1st: the American people aren’t stupid
2nd: Biden got laughed out of his 80s nomination
a) he got caught plagiarizing his speeches
b) he got caught lying about his college career
c) he got caught plagiarizing in college
3rd: he bragged about his Ukraine scandal on national tv
4th: his daughter’s diary labels him a pedophile
5th: his son’s laptop identified his scandals
6th: he was senile while he was running for president
The list goes on… he is not the most popular president in American history with 25% of the American population(including 0-17yo) voting for him. Which equals a laughable 81 millions votes. It is laughable, and US is the joke.
1st: the American people aren’t stupid
2nd: Biden got laughed out of his 80s nomination
a) he got caught plagiarizing his speeches
b) he got caught lying about his college career
c) he got caught plagiarizing in college
3rd: he bragged about his Ukraine scandal on national tv
4th: his daughter’s diary labels him a pedophile
5th: his son’s laptop identified his scandals
6th: he was senile while he was running for president
The list goes on… he is not the most popular president in American history with 25% of the American population(including 0-17yo) voting for him. Which equals a laughable 81 millions votes. It is laughable, and US is the joke.
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:30 pm to grich31
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The fact that no concrete evidence has been provided by folks under indictment that election was rigged proves it was legitimate and the minimum voter fraud cases found would not have changed outcome. Where is 45s evidence he has been sitting on for 2 plus yrs?
The system is not transparent nor auditable.
Therefore, it is not a credible system and the results it produces should not be presumed credible or be taken seriously.
AND THIS IS THE CASE NO MATTER WHO WINS.
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:57 pm to TrueTiger
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Our election system is a faith
Bingo! This is basically my point.
Elections and government itself is simply a faith and consent based system.
A true, fair and clean election would mean at least 90% of the voters feel comfortable about the process.
The problem with 2020, was the process itself was invalid. As beurocrats, and courts, changed elections without the input from state legislatures. By statute, this is an illegal process. Therefor the entire results should be deemed invalid, or at minimum suspect.
When you throw in all the other shady coincidences and circumstances, and you consider that an election of 160 million votes was decided by 42,000 votes... people are going to absolutely be within their rights to question the results.
So lets get back to the main reason I even posed this question to begin with. Yes, I am aware of the absurdity of attempting to disprove a negative, I hope people understand this was a little tongue and cheek. But it is a fact that court rooms in this country are sentencing ordinary, tax paying, war veteran, citizens with no criminal records, to extremely harsh and lenthy sentences based primarily on the notion that the election was a 100% valid and it is basically a crime to question it. Without fail, all the major media networks have parrotted this exact talking point, with little room for any transparency or curiosity.
So I believe with these extraordinary punishments being delivered, and the way the major political opposition is being targeted over this opinion, it is indeed up to the media and Justice Dept. to provs to the American people beyond any reasonable doubt that we can trust in our elections and the 2020 election was indeed the safest and cleanest election in American History as they have said.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 9:05 pm to grich31
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The fact that no concrete evidence has been provided by folks under indictment that election was rigged proves it was legitimate
This is beyond ridiculous. Are you seriously asking for some ordinary boomer granny and her state provided public defender to crack open the case of a large, interstate election conspiracy?
As I stated earlier, its not about finding "the Kraken". Im fact in many ways the post 11-3-20 election integrity effort was always doomed to fail because of the lack of focus and precision on what could actually be proven in that amount of time.
The issue was always the process changes, that happened illegally. The Texas SCOTUS case was basically the one that needed to haopen, and SCOTUS cowardly punted on it, and wouldnt even hear the case. After that failed, it was pretty much over.
But its important to note, SCOTUS never did declare that PA and other states were within their rights to change election procedures without the legislature. And the WI SC later did rule that the election was administered illegally from state law.
So while that isn't some smoking gun Kraken, that is basically the issue with 2020 in a nutshell. Drastic changes, done in short order, with crazy circumstances and results, and an extremely narrow margin. Followed by an extreme lack of tamransparency and heavy crack down on anyone who questioned it. Does this not smell like a recipe for mistrust to you?
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:48 am to taylork37
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This saga is over...you just won't let it go...hence the continual PT posts about it.
I literally can say the same thing in response to you. You are afraid to know the truth because that would mean the lie they sold you is not true.
I'd accept it. I'm glad you admit you're afraid of what they'd fine, though. It's almost as if, deep down, you know this is going to fester. Deep down, you know it's not over, as much as you want it to be.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 5:52 am to burger bearcat
Has anyone provided evidence that the earth is round, I must have missed that bombshell report?
“Everyone has to prove my conspiracy theories wrong or I will believe them as fact.”
“Everyone has to prove my conspiracy theories wrong or I will believe them as fact.”
Posted on 8/31/23 at 5:56 am to Stealth Matrix
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This will never be settled until there's a complete and independent election audit.
There have been literally dozens of audits, you just didn’t like their results. Let me rephrase your statement for you:
“This will never be settled until there’s a complete and independent election audit whos results support my own reality”
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:16 am to BayouBoogaloo
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Has anyone provided evidence that the earth is round, I must have missed that bombshell report?
Are there people being arrested for "wrongful" opinions on the earths shape? Are flat earth youtube videos removed or given disclaimers?
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:19 am to BayouBoogaloo
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There have been literally dozens of audits, you just didn’t like their results. Let me rephrase your statement for you:
The process itself was the crime. This happened, and not s conspiracy. Rules were changed outside of the legal framework. This was illegal but was never able to be prosecuted.
Every mail in vote in PA should have been considered illegal.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:23 am to burger bearcat
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Are there people being arrested for "wrongful" opinions on the earths shape?
Find me a criminal charge for having a “wrongful opinion.” You can’t, because it doesn’t exist. No one is getting arrested for having an opinion. That’s a ridiculous mischaracterization, oversimplification, and is just fear mongering, victim complex, whiny nonsense.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:26 am to burger bearcat
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Every mail in vote in PA should have been considered illegal.
Again, “Because I don’t like it” is neither evidence, nor a reason to take action on something. Get over yourself or go jump off the edge of the flat earth.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:26 am to BayouBoogaloo
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There have been literally dozens of audits,
Dozens of partial audits in a system of thousands of precincts. That does not inspire confidence in a system that is generally not transparent and not fully auditable.
A system re-design around those 2 principles would avoid all questioning. Elections would be accepted without a fuss and a J6 type situation would never occur.
Americans deserve the best and most credible systems. So why aren't we getting them?
Corruption is the only reasonable answer.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 7:27 am to BayouBoogaloo
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Find me a criminal charge for having a “wrongful opinion.”
Isn't this the entire premise behind Trump and his associates being charged? The accusation being that they "lied" about election fraud. How are they able to prove that he lied? That was my original point.
Also, I have read many of the J6 Judges final statements before sentencing. They often include language along the lines of "based on lies" or "wrongfully believed the election was stolen". Again, aren't these juat subjective opinions? If they are indeed objective truths, then my origial OP question should stand, how do you prove it?
This post was edited on 8/31/23 at 7:28 am
Posted on 8/31/23 at 7:46 am to TrueTiger
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A system re-design around those 2 principles would avoid all questioning. Elections would be accepted without a fuss and a J6 type situation would never occur.
Not a chance. No matter how many safeguards are put in place, all it takes is a few politicians/media personalities making outlandish claims with nothing to back it up and people will flock to that.
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