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re: Monthly mortgage payment based on a median existing home is now at a record $2,322

Posted on 8/24/23 at 12:38 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85475 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 12:38 pm to
Thankfully existing homes have either zero mortgage or substantially lower rates…



Yeah it sucks to buy a house right now, but that’s not a problem for the majority of households.

ETA- I don’t love the trend, but outside of Covid, people have more disposable income now than ever before, and they’re spending less of it on debt service than ever before. That’s what a decade of incredibly low interest rates gets you.

This post was edited on 8/24/23 at 12:46 pm
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55976 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

All of these luxuries you are listing to be cut are things that your generation enjoyed as regular items.

I’d ask if you can really be this obtuse, but I already know the answer.

“Hey current generation, you can no longer enjoy the parts of life I did because we made it too expensive. Quit being greedy. Sucks for you. Deal with it” - people like Thib
pointing this out is "whining"
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54192 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 12:41 pm to
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PE will buy it and rent it out to people who want houses.
This model may be a reason prices have been driven up, but it can’t manipulate the market for more than a few years. PE has to set rents at a point where it can cover its costs, P&I, taxes, insurance, overhead, and profit. If single family home prices aren’t affordable, single family rent prices won’t be either. Eventually rent has to cover the cost of the home.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30237 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 12:44 pm to
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but because the cost of living has increased dramatically compared to wages.


This.

Boomers can wax poetic about current generations eating 10 grains of rice and half a chicken leg for lunch every day, staring at the ceiling instead of having a TV with any streaming services and working 90 hours a week to afford the most basic of housing all they want.

Fact of the matter is, costs of everything (let alone housing) are rising at a ridiculously faster pace than wages.

This isn't about people working at Taco Bell thinking they deserve a $300k house, a brand new car and Starbucks every morning.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71670 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 12:45 pm to
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This model may be a reason prices have been driven up, but it can’t manipulate the market for more than a few years. PE has to set rents at a point where it can cover its costs, P&I, taxes, insurance, overhead, and profit. If single family home prices aren’t affordable, single family rent prices won’t be either. Eventually rent has to cover the cost of the home.


If they keep inventory low, and also convince big daddy government to contribute as well (which they will, omg congressman I can't afford a house, boom stipend), they certainly can. Because we won't allow large scale failure, it's all a shell game.
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
3604 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 12:48 pm to
How many here will acknowledge the impact that Trumps stimulus packages had on this?

The inflation didn’t come out of nowhere.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71670 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 12:49 pm to
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How many here will acknowledge the impact that Trumps stimulus packages had on this?

The inflation didn’t come out of nowhere.


Trump, Biden, Obama, Bush.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36810 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 12:49 pm to
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Fact of the matter is, costs of everything (let alone housing) are rising at a ridiculously faster pace than wages.



want to know another reason 40 and under people are getting their bitch on
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35567 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 12:50 pm to
quote:

“Hey current generation, you can no longer enjoy the parts of life I did because we made it too expensive. Quit being greedy. Sucks for you. Deal with it” - people like Thib



"we"

I'm under 40. I don't buy starbucks, I bring my lunch to work 95% of the time, and I'm not a conspicuous consumer.

I'm sorry that this way of life seems incompatible with what you think you are owed, but it's the way people who don't have to stress about money constantly live.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54192 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 12:51 pm to
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If they keep inventory low, and also convince big daddy government to contribute as well
Certainly a possibility. I think a correction in the market is more likely to occur. If it corrects hard enough though, that might push government action like you indicated.
This post was edited on 8/24/23 at 12:54 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96568 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 12:53 pm to
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I'm under 40. I don't buy starbucks, I bring my lunch to work 95% of the time, and I'm not a conspicuous consumer.
congrats. There are people now that work their arse off in the plant, no stupid college degree debt you would like to try and blame it on, bring a lunch everyday, share a car with their wife, and the only home they can afford is an apartment in the ghetto, while as previous generations would have had the purchasing power to a small safe house in a suburb

Any reply?

And I’m under 40 too. But my experience at 36 is wildly different than someone only 10 years younger than me at 26. I had a far better an easier path. It’s ok to admit that
This post was edited on 8/24/23 at 12:56 pm
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30237 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 12:54 pm to
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want to know another reason 40 and under people are getting their bitch on


When I hear fellow colleagues talk about day care expenses (let alone a child's basic necessities like food, clothes, medical care, etc...) it makes me want to puke and I don't even have children.

This is also why I laugh at people who bemoan millennials and gen Z for not having kids until their mid 30's (or at all).

Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
15903 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 12:55 pm to
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Look in a different MUD (Municipal Utility District.) Your taxes can swing 30% less if you move to a mile (or less) in any direction. Do not buy in Fort Bend County if you can help it. While state law forbids homeowner's assessed value from increasing more than 10% a year, Fort Bend was very clear that my home was going to "increase in value" 40% over the next four years.



Looking in Montgomery County right now. Trying to stay out of Harris county.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35567 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 12:57 pm to
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congrats. There are people now that work their arse off in the plant, no stupid college degree debt you would like to try and blame it on, bring a lunch everyday, share a car with their wife, and the only home they can afford is an apartment in the ghetto, while as previous generations would have had the purchasing power to a small safe house in a suburb

Any reply?



Care to put a name to any of them? I know tons of people who work in plants, wife doesn't work, they both drive 70K vehicles and have nicer houses than I do. If you're talking about unskilled labor like custodians and such then you are purposely painting the worst picture possible.
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
1653 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 12:59 pm to
Not cool. What’s happening is criminal.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
15276 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 1:00 pm to
Rapidly rising homeowners insurance isn't helping either.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30237 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 1:00 pm to
quote:

I'm sorry that this way of life seems incompatible with what you think you are owed,


No one thinks they are owed anything, but this notion that abstaining from starbucks and bringing your own lunch to work offsets the grand canyon sized gap between how far costs have risen versus wages over the last 20 year is utter nonsense.

quote:

it's the way people who don't have to stress about money constantly live.



I personally don't have to stress about money, but that doesn't mean we don't have a shitty situation on our hands with the aforementioned gap in rising costs vs wages.

There's trend occurring and if it continues, none of the middle class will be able to afford any home worth a damn. But sure, keep jerking off to not buying starbucks.
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
2313 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 1:04 pm to
You can’t be serious? CC debt is at an all time high and that disposable income figure doesn’t begin to include groceries, fuel, and utilities costs which have eaten up that disposable income
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
13416 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 1:05 pm to
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I know tons of people who work in plants, wife doesn't work, they both drive 70K vehicles and have nicer houses than I do.

Most of those people are up to their eyes in debt and live on cash flow with 0 savings. Always rolling negative equity from F250 to F250.
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6891 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 1:06 pm to
My $1400 mortgage looks pretty damn good right now.
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