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Dershowitz read the indictment
Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:17 pm
Dershowitz I've read the indictment and here is my analysis on Rumble. 31 minutes.
He spends about 20 minutes on this, some salient points and then some riffing and commentary and related matters. After that he reviews the indictments against Trump and then does some viewer letters and things like that.
Notes:
- One of the strangest documents he's ever read.
- Document is so strange that under its own rubric or logic, Jack Smith could be indicted. It goes after Trump for an alleged lie - but Jack Smith lied as well. He outlines Trump's Jan6 speech. He deliberately leaves out key words, about protesting peacefully, that keeps Trump's actions within the first amendment. Thus Jack Smith lied, left them out of the indictment, and under his own theory of the case that lies can be criminalized, Jack Smith can now be indicted.
- Trump's words are protected by the Constitution and Jack Smith's actions can rightfully be construed as an attack upon Trump's rights and punishing him for exercising his rights. That's a crime.
- These points illustrate how open ended and dangerous this indictment is. It turns "political lies" into crimes.
- If politicians lie, you should tell the truth, Adley Stevenson (sp?) said, "If you agree to stop lying about me I agree to stop telling the truth about you."
- Indictment is effectively shrinking the first amendment.
- In this case they will likely have to prove that Trump knew or believed that he had lost the election when he made the statements he made.
- Thomas Jefferson said we have nothing to fear from the wrong reason of some if others have the ability to correct them.
- Today the country is deeply divided and this indictment doesn't help. It should have never been brought in the DC district. Can't get a fair trial there. Most one-sided district in the US. Judge has demonstrated anti-Trump bias. Whole background is pro-Democrat. Some of the longest sentences for Jan6 people came from this judge.
- If you're going to indict the opponent to the President, if you're the AG, you have to make sure this is the strongest possible case imaginable.
He's not a fan of the indictment, obviously, or what it does to the nation. His attack on the logic of the indictment and it's logical consequences is important for those that still believe in civil liberties, IMO.
He spends about 20 minutes on this, some salient points and then some riffing and commentary and related matters. After that he reviews the indictments against Trump and then does some viewer letters and things like that.
Notes:
- One of the strangest documents he's ever read.
- Document is so strange that under its own rubric or logic, Jack Smith could be indicted. It goes after Trump for an alleged lie - but Jack Smith lied as well. He outlines Trump's Jan6 speech. He deliberately leaves out key words, about protesting peacefully, that keeps Trump's actions within the first amendment. Thus Jack Smith lied, left them out of the indictment, and under his own theory of the case that lies can be criminalized, Jack Smith can now be indicted.
- Trump's words are protected by the Constitution and Jack Smith's actions can rightfully be construed as an attack upon Trump's rights and punishing him for exercising his rights. That's a crime.
- These points illustrate how open ended and dangerous this indictment is. It turns "political lies" into crimes.
- If politicians lie, you should tell the truth, Adley Stevenson (sp?) said, "If you agree to stop lying about me I agree to stop telling the truth about you."
- Indictment is effectively shrinking the first amendment.
- In this case they will likely have to prove that Trump knew or believed that he had lost the election when he made the statements he made.
- Thomas Jefferson said we have nothing to fear from the wrong reason of some if others have the ability to correct them.
- Today the country is deeply divided and this indictment doesn't help. It should have never been brought in the DC district. Can't get a fair trial there. Most one-sided district in the US. Judge has demonstrated anti-Trump bias. Whole background is pro-Democrat. Some of the longest sentences for Jan6 people came from this judge.
- If you're going to indict the opponent to the President, if you're the AG, you have to make sure this is the strongest possible case imaginable.
He's not a fan of the indictment, obviously, or what it does to the nation. His attack on the logic of the indictment and it's logical consequences is important for those that still believe in civil liberties, IMO.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:19 pm to POTUS2024
Jack Smith could certainly be indicted.
If he didn’t play for the right team.
If he didn’t play for the right team.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:19 pm to POTUS2024
Bet it took him more than 5 minutes.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:21 pm to POTUS2024
I saw where he said DC jury will more than likely convict, may get overturned at the appellate level, but may need SCOTUS to overturn.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:21 pm to POTUS2024
One of the charges carries a potential death penalty.
Jack has already gone too far.
I want to see him go for the death penalty.
Even the people not paying much attention would have to see the insanity of this.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:27 pm to POTUS2024
Waiting on Hank. That’s the only opinion that matters.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:27 pm to POTUS2024
trumps lawyers should be filing to get a new judge. It almost 100% you can get a new judge in a federal case if there is even the slightest reason, such as their past record, statements, or demonstrated bias. The first one is almost a gimme. its much harder to get it changed to a third judge. thats what happened in the Desantis v Disney federal case.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:30 pm to narddogg81
quote:
trumps lawyers should be filing to get a new judge. It almost 100% you can get a new judge in a federal case if there is even the slightest reason, such as their past record, statements, or demonstrated bias. The first one is almost a gimme. its much harder to get it changed to a third judge. thats what happened in the Desantis v Disney federal case.
I would be shocked if Trump does not ask for change of venue and if that is denied, a new judge.
The entire DC circuit is a waste. There's no way for a fair trial to proceed there.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:43 pm to POTUS2024
A constitutional lawyer said this shouldn't pass, even a DC, liberal judge smell test.
said it is asinine, and should be chucked immediately.
said it is asinine, and should be chucked immediately.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:50 pm to POTUS2024
Did Dershowitz give the chances of this making it to trial before the elections?
Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:53 pm to POTUS2024
Turley said much the same. The criminal stuff is complete crap.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 7:05 pm to POTUS2024
Limbaugh had warned 20 years ago that Democrats were seeking to criminalize policy differences.
He really was on the cutting edge
He really was on the cutting edge
Posted on 8/2/23 at 7:28 pm to POTUS2024
It's funny y'all like this guy.
Nobody was closer to Epstein. He's all over the plane logs - went to the island innumerable times - defended Epstein in court and on TV - one of the girls even named him as her rapist two times.
And yet....you don't care
Hypocrisy in the dictionary just asked to list this as an example
Nobody was closer to Epstein. He's all over the plane logs - went to the island innumerable times - defended Epstein in court and on TV - one of the girls even named him as her rapist two times.
And yet....you don't care
Hypocrisy in the dictionary just asked to list this as an example
Posted on 8/2/23 at 7:30 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:As did I, and at least three other lawyers here that I saw personally.
Turley said much the same.
The indictment is… marginal, to be polite.
any competent attorney can see that
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 8/2/23 at 7:36 pm to GumboPot
quote:
Did Dershowitz give the chances of this making it to trial before the elections?
He didn't speculate on that.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 7:38 pm to WaltWhite504
quote:
It's funny y'all like this guy.
Nobody was closer to Epstein. He's all over the plane logs - went to the island innumerable times - defended Epstein in court and on TV - one of the girls even named him as her rapist two times.
And yet....you don't care
Hypocrisy in the dictionary just asked to list this as an example
All of that may be fair to point out - do you have any response to his comments on this case, because that's what's being discussed.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 7:42 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
quote:
saw where he said DC jury will more than likely convict, may get overturned at the appellate level, but may need SCOTUS to overturn.
And by then the election will be long over and Trump won’t be POTUS
Posted on 8/2/23 at 7:43 pm to WaltWhite504
quote:
It's funny y'all like this guy. Nobody was closer to Epstein. He's all over the plane logs - went to the island innumerable times
See, this is how Democrats like WaltWhite504 are able to lie with such ease. It’s almost a psychopathic level of dishonesty because the ability is so natural to them, without any semblance of shame or responsibilit or effort…
From an unfriendly to Dershowitz news source (New Yorker) that intricately detailed the connection to Epstein:
quote:
He and Cohen once stayed with Epstein on his island in the Caribbean, where they were joined by another Harvard professor and his family.
And from the Daily Beast, of all sensationalist sources:
quote:
He has only once been to Epstein's private island, Little St. James, with his wife and daughter, and that it was “years before [Ransome] met Jeffrey Epstein.”
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