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Electric Cars Are An Expensive Scam
Posted on 7/1/23 at 7:23 am
Posted on 7/1/23 at 7:23 am
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In March, Joe Biden signed an executive order to “set a target” for half of all new vehicles sold in 2030 to be zero-emission. California claims it is banning combustion engines in all new cars in about 10 years. So carmakers adopt business models to deal with these distorted incentives and contrived theoretical markets of the future.
In today’s real-world economy, though, Ford announced this week that it was firing at least 1,000 employees — many of them white-collar workers on the EV side. Ford projects it’s going to lose $3 billion on electric vehicles in 2023, bringing its EV losses to $5.1 billion over two years. In 2021, Ford reportedly lost $34,000 on every EV it made. This year it was losing more than $58,000 on every EV. In a normal world, Ford would be dramatically scaling back EV production, not expanding it. Remember that next time we need to bail out Detroit.
In the real world, there is Lordstown. In 2019, after GM — which also loses money on every EV sold — shut down a plant in Lordstown, Ohio, then-President Donald Trump made a big deal of publicly pressuring the auto giant to rectify the situation. So CEO Mary Barra lent Lordstown Motors, a new EV outfit, $40 million to retrofit the plant. Ohio also gave the company another $60 million.
You may remember the widespread glowing coverage of Lordstown. After Joe Biden signed his “Buy American” executive order, promising to replace the entire U.S. federal fleet with EVs, Lordstown’s stock shot up.
By the start of this year, Lordstown had manufactured 31 vehicles total. Six had been sold to actual consumers. (But to be fair, five would be recalled — following a recall of 19.) The stock was trading at barely a dollar. Tech-funding giant Foxconn was pulling its $170 million. And this week the company filed for bankruptcy.
Climate alarmists might believe EVs are necessary to save the planet. That’s fine. Using their standard, however, a bike is an innovation. Because even on their terms, the usefulness of EVs is highly debatable. Most of the energy that powers them is derived from fossil fuels. The manufacturing of an EV has a negligible positive benefit for the environment, if any.
And the fact is that if EVs were more efficient and saved us money, as enviros and politicians claim, consumers wouldn’t have to be compelled into using them and companies wouldn’t have to be bribed into producing them
In March, Joe Biden signed an executive order to “set a target” for half of all new vehicles sold in 2030 to be zero-emission. California claims it is banning combustion engines in all new cars in about 10 years. So carmakers adopt business models to deal with these distorted incentives and contrived theoretical markets of the future.
In today’s real-world economy, though, Ford announced this week that it was firing at least 1,000 employees — many of them white-collar workers on the EV side. Ford projects it’s going to lose $3 billion on electric vehicles in 2023, bringing its EV losses to $5.1 billion over two years. In 2021, Ford reportedly lost $34,000 on every EV it made. This year it was losing more than $58,000 on every EV. In a normal world, Ford would be dramatically scaling back EV production, not expanding it. Remember that next time we need to bail out Detroit.
In the real world, there is Lordstown. In 2019, after GM — which also loses money on every EV sold — shut down a plant in Lordstown, Ohio, then-President Donald Trump made a big deal of publicly pressuring the auto giant to rectify the situation. So CEO Mary Barra lent Lordstown Motors, a new EV outfit, $40 million to retrofit the plant. Ohio also gave the company another $60 million.
You may remember the widespread glowing coverage of Lordstown. After Joe Biden signed his “Buy American” executive order, promising to replace the entire U.S. federal fleet with EVs, Lordstown’s stock shot up.
By the start of this year, Lordstown had manufactured 31 vehicles total. Six had been sold to actual consumers. (But to be fair, five would be recalled — following a recall of 19.) The stock was trading at barely a dollar. Tech-funding giant Foxconn was pulling its $170 million. And this week the company filed for bankruptcy.
Climate alarmists might believe EVs are necessary to save the planet. That’s fine. Using their standard, however, a bike is an innovation. Because even on their terms, the usefulness of EVs is highly debatable. Most of the energy that powers them is derived from fossil fuels. The manufacturing of an EV has a negligible positive benefit for the environment, if any.
And the fact is that if EVs were more efficient and saved us money, as enviros and politicians claim, consumers wouldn’t have to be compelled into using them and companies wouldn’t have to be bribed into producing them
Posted on 7/1/23 at 7:57 am to Placekicker
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Ford projects it’s going to lose $3 billion on electric vehicles in 2023, bringing its EV losses to $5.1 billion over two years. In 2021, Ford reportedly lost $34,000 on every EV it made.
I wonder why? Is it because they can't sell what they build, or are they selling at a loss?
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the usefulness of EVs is highly debatable. Most of the energy that powers them is derived from fossil fuels. The manufacturing of an EV has a negligible positive benefit for the environment, if any.
I don't doubt this. Electricity is more than that stuff you get out of white receptacles on your wall.
I have a 2023 Ford Lightning. It cost a lot for a Lariat trim. I can't imagine what it would cost if they are under-charging for the vehicle. I really like my Lightning. It serves my intended purpose well. My monthly electricity costs have risen about 150 bucks. But my gasoline costs have dropped through the floor. And my Lightning is now my wife's favorite car.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 8:18 am to Placekicker
Anything GREEN is a scam. China and India just laugh at us.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 8:23 am to Placekicker
So we will bailing out the car companies again.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 8:46 am to Placekicker
China is NOT an oil producer so China doesn’t get rich off of gas powered cars.
China owns 80% of the World’s lithium so China makes huge profits off of electric cars.
China pays our politicians and China wants electric so therefore the American Government passed laws and regulations to push electric.
American politicians do what they are paid to do and China is doing the paying.
China owns 80% of the World’s lithium so China makes huge profits off of electric cars.
China pays our politicians and China wants electric so therefore the American Government passed laws and regulations to push electric.
American politicians do what they are paid to do and China is doing the paying.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 9:12 am to Placekicker
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The manufacturing of an EV has a negligible positive impact for the environment, if any
Wrong. I know the above statement is a popular incantation for right-wing talk show ignorami, but the reality is far different.
You're talking currently about hundreds of millions of greenhouse-gas generating internal-combustion engines EVERY DAY on American roadways. Replacing the current polluting fleet with electrics will drastically reduce the fouling of the air with carbon gases, and reduce the currently unsustainable rate of planetary heating.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 10:12 am to Placekicker
Selling at a loss is part of the barriers to entry and most knew this going into the game. Problem is the economies of scale still haven’t caught up despite the huge increase in demand during, and immediately post, Covid. Now that the elasticity of the market is contracting, how will manufacturers profit? I’d be willing to wager a bet come 2035 when all vehicles are manufactured are supposed to be EV you’ll see a monumental price increase making the $100k ICE pick-up seem like a cheap alternative.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 10:12 am to Placekicker
Remove government subsidies from EV’s and biofuel and it no longer exists. The free market knows it’s all full of crap. It’s a government scam.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 12:40 pm to Placekicker
I got a question for golfers. Most courses have electric golf carts. If you play long enough one of them will stop from a dead battery.
Question: Why does it always stop at the farthest point from the clubhouse?
Question: Why does it always stop at the farthest point from the clubhouse?
Posted on 7/1/23 at 5:03 pm to Placekicker
Electric cars are impractical is so many ways, it would be hard to reduce it to a top ten list.
Posted on 7/2/23 at 8:30 am to Placekicker
I read it and am not following, what are they saying the scam is?
Posted on 7/2/23 at 10:07 am to Placekicker
“We just need more child slaves mining the materials and then they’ll be cost effective”
-liberals
-liberals
Posted on 7/2/23 at 3:47 pm to Placekicker
I’ve seen that a battery replacement for an electric vehicle can cost hundreds of dollars as opposed to perhaps less than $100 for a conventional vehicle battery. If the government is so eager to get me to purchase an electric vehicle, I’d like to get a handout to help with the outrageous costs.
Posted on 7/2/23 at 5:25 pm to Placekicker
Nice to see this going like all the other EV threads.
Posted on 7/2/23 at 8:36 pm to Placekicker
they have no different a carbin footprint than regular cars. this is a proven and demonstraitable fact.
That sais i still want a high end Tesla Roadster....
Cause its fun and fast, I also want my 69 firebird back that i had to sell so many years ago...
That sais i still want a high end Tesla Roadster....
Cause its fun and fast, I also want my 69 firebird back that i had to sell so many years ago...
Posted on 7/2/23 at 8:41 pm to Placekicker
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Ford reportedly lost $34,000 on every EV it made. This year it was losing more than $58,000 on every EV.
This doesn’t seem possible.
Anyone wanna math this out?
Posted on 7/2/23 at 9:19 pm to Placekicker
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Electric Cars Are An Expensive Scam
Electric cars are starting to become as affordable as their ICE counterparts
Show me the ICE equivalent of a Tesla Model 3 or Y and let me know how much it costs.
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