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The Great TOPS Shell Game

Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:51 pm
Posted by RougeDawg
Member since Jul 2016
6228 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:51 pm
When I went to school in the late 90s tuition was $700 or so a quarter. Fees were about $70.

Fast forward to my kid going and tuition is $1,851 and TOPS pays for all of it! Hooray! Fees are now, coincidently enough, almost what the tuition is, $1,584.

So prior to TOPS fees were about 10% of tuition and now 86% of tuition.

TOPS is nothing but a shell game to make parents feel like Louisiana is giving them a great deal.
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8906 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:53 pm to
No shite. I thought everyone knew this?
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
12129 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:56 pm to
In the 90s the states budged played a large role to state universities. That money was taken from the universities and “given” to parents to give to the universities.

….so yes, basically a shell game, but now only kids that meet gpa/act standards and then can keep those standards get the “free” money instead of everyone.
Posted by TulaneLSU
Member since Aug 2003
Member since Dec 2007
13371 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 8:00 pm to
Friend,

Am I inferring correctly that you are complaining about having to spend $3000 a year on fees and $0 on tuition at a flagship university? See what families in the Big 10 spend on public university tuition and fees for comparison. For example, a Illinois resident can expect to spend nearly $23,000 each year on tuition and fees alone at the University of Illinois.

Yours,
TulaneLSU
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 8:03 pm
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
114724 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 8:29 pm to
I remember several years after TOPS was a thing (I think it became a thing in the late 90s right?) I had a Calculus teacher, some dude from South Korea.. Early in the semester, there was someone who messed up some basic algebra on a problem and the dude went on for about 15 mins about how because of TOPS the quality of the average student has gone down. Within a week about half the class dropped him, he kind of insulted everyone, but I thought it was funny bc dude didn't give a single frick.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
8561 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 9:01 pm to
Tell your kids to study hard, to get a good GPA, score high on the ACT, and live at home(or keep living costs low) and you will pay basically nothing. My kids had to come up with no money every semester for tuition and fees. The extra scholarship money covered all school fees. They worked for book money and spending money. Everyone thinks you have to send them away to school and spend a ton of money. That’s not true. You can control a lot of the costs. One more thing to add, if your kid isn’t a great student(especially boys) encourage them to get a trade or attend a community college. Low costs and they can make good money in a lot of areas.
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 9:06 pm
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
21348 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 9:02 pm to
Tuition 4K, fees 2k
LSU tuition and fees
Edit: you said quarter, you talking LA tech?
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 9:05 pm
Posted by t00f
Not where you think I am
Member since Jul 2016
94399 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 9:23 pm to
Tops pays for about 8%
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
50178 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 9:48 pm to
TOPS didn't exist yet when I started college. I think tuition at LSU was about $1100. Southeastern was $950 or so. Books were another $400 or so at LSU but that was all of the fees and everything.

Granted, it was just a different pricing model. The state footed more of the bill without many qualifications and yet fewer people went to college.
Posted by OldManRiver
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2005
6946 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:00 pm to
quote:

Fast forward to my kid going and tuition is $1,851 and TOPS pays for all of it! Hooray! Fees are now, coincidently enough, almost what the tuition is, $1,584.


Is this including meal plans or something? My kids Tops Honors award covers everything, her fee bill is $0 every semester outside of the parking pass. She doesn’t live on campus, so she’s never paid for housing or a meal plan
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60838 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:00 pm to
It will be cheaper for my kids to go anywhere in the states to the East of us than what TOPS has become with these corrupt Louisiana schools. I have friends with a kid at Tech with the highest level TOPS, plus merit scholarships and she said she sends a $3100 check per quarter. That’s 18K+ a year for me. Or…they can go to Ole Miss for free…Gee, what should I do?
Posted by Prodigal Son
Member since May 2023
841 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:02 pm to
It costs zero dollars to be an electrician. Just sayin.
Posted by Steadyhands
Slightly above I-10
Member since May 2016
6943 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:07 pm to
I came from out of state and remained in this state. Try out of state tuition without tops. I agree school cost is bullshite, but I went to school with people, essentially making money while I paid out the arse and maintained a much higher GPA. When people bitch about tops, I don't feel bad.
Posted by Jizzy08
Member since Aug 2008
11441 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:09 pm to
I’ve heard countless stories of kids who are local (live in BR) and want to go to LSU but LSU isn’t even coming close in terms of scholarships offered that Ole Miss, Bama, etc are offering.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
64610 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:17 pm to
I got great grades in HS, got the highest TOPS award all 4 years, then immediately went to Texas to start my career after graduating.

The state should mitigate that risk.
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
21348 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:57 pm to
Lazy rivers won’t build themselves!
Posted by Bamafig
Member since Nov 2018
3625 posts
Posted on 6/24/23 at 12:02 am to
I seem to remember a story from Florida many years ago concerning the lottery and Education. They gave residents the impression that lottery money would be earmarked for education in addition to what was already being spent. In reality the original money was moved to pet projects and replaced in the education budget with the new money for a zero net gain. Am I remembering this correctly?
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
33330 posts
Posted on 6/24/23 at 7:43 am to
I’m so glad Jindal defunded Higher Ed so he could become President. Worked out so well for Louisiana.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
49541 posts
Posted on 6/24/23 at 8:10 am to
Anything subsidized by the government will have a price increase or growth relative to the subsidy.

Basic economics
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
31265 posts
Posted on 6/24/23 at 8:23 am to
What was the price of everything else in the 90s?


But every time the govt tries to make anything more affordable it gets more expensive
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