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re: Jordan Hawkins is a win now pick
Posted on 6/23/23 at 4:15 pm to supe12sta12z
Posted on 6/23/23 at 4:15 pm to supe12sta12z
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It's simple. When we are in need of spacing or shooting, he probably gets priority over the defensive guys along with with Trey.
When we are in need of defense, Herb, Dyson, and Jose will probably receive those additional minutes.
Probably going to be matchup based.
Hawkins is instant offense. Don't think you need him to play consistently for him to be effective. I think this kid will be a per minute shooter/scorer who can put up points quickly.
He'll be in the game when teams sag off to wall of Z and/or BI.
With Willie at the helm I don't think he ever gets priority over guys like Herb, Dyson, Jose, etc. Willie is going to play the defense first guys.
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 4:21 pm to TigerinATL
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There was a lot more opportunity for those 3 though. It's probably going to be hard and may only happen because of injury. But with this team we know injuries will happen.
That's fair. I just don't want to turn around and resign Richardson or another journeyman guard to block him from playing. I'm not expecting a starter or a top rotation player, but it'd be nice for him to play regularly..
Posted on 6/23/23 at 4:33 pm to CP3forMVP
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It's simple. When we are in need of spacing or shooting, he probably gets priority over the defensive guys along with with Trey.
From what I've seen of Hawkins, it seems he is very good shooting the 3 when coming off picks. This is obviously a good thing since I doubt teams will sag off him when he is standing at the 3-pt line...because...HE AIN'T HERB...OR DYSON !!
Problem is...we only have a coupla players that can/will sacrifice their body to set a pick for the guy to get that open 3-pt shot. We would probably agree on who those 2 guys are. Our bigs might try...but they are notorius for getting offensive fouls when trying to set a pick outside and several of our players are just a bit too offensive minded to help in the "pick" area. If we are gonna get the most value out of this guy...our guys are gonna have to learn how to set a pick, whether they like it or not.
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 6/23/23 at 4:41 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Borrego is a very good teacher who really emphasizes proper screen setting within his offense. We should have a lot more movement than we've ever had since Gentry in 19. Hope this also means we'll be shooting a lot more 3s.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 4:46 pm to brmark70816
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I just want someone to describe to me how he gets significant minutes
ummm.....he plays well and shows he deserves minutes, and like any rookie worth a shite, he'll play 55+ games and get 14-18mpg or more regardless of what team he is on.
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I don't see him getting top 8mpg, maybe not even top 10
Top 8? probably not, 10th or 11th, sure. Every team has injuries, and he'll get plenty of chances and will end the season with 14-18mpg and 55+ games played, if he's good. Kira wasn't even any good and he played 54 games and got 17mpg as a rookie, which was the 12th most on the team.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 4:47 pm to supe12sta12z
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Borrego is a very good teacher who really emphasizes proper screen setting within his offense. We should have a lot more movement than we've ever had since Gentry in 19. Hope this also means we'll be shooting a lot more 3s.
Good to hear. I was hoping this Borrego guy was gonna be quite useful in getting our offense to "open things up"...across the board. Maybe less of somebody pounding the dribble for 8/10 times before throwing up a contested mid-ranger. Have I mentioned that I detest the mid-range shot? (G)
Posted on 6/23/23 at 4:53 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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I detest the mid-range shot?
Did you like Jamal Murray’s midrange?
Posted on 6/23/23 at 4:54 pm to TeddyPadillac
Our minutes distribution should be similar to what Miami does. They have their core players play roughly 34mpg(Butler, Bam, Herro) and their key rotational guys play anywhere from 25-29 minutes, and everyone else minutes will be strictly based on need.
At the end of the day, everyone is a role player for BI and Z. Gotta maximize their effectiveness and make things easier on them. We should have the versatility to play with most teams. Just have to keep our stars healthy by not making them work so damn hard to score night in and night out.
At the end of the day, everyone is a role player for BI and Z. Gotta maximize their effectiveness and make things easier on them. We should have the versatility to play with most teams. Just have to keep our stars healthy by not making them work so damn hard to score night in and night out.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 8:56 pm to Deplorable Duke
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Before last night, I had no idea who this guy was.
led Uconn to the championship with his hot hand.
one hopes he can turn it on on demand. there have been a few who had a beautiful run and never lived up to their first round status.
a 6 4 shooter for Kentucky carried them to natty.
Atlanta. did nothing.
a shooter for unc. natty. beat wilt and Kansas in 3ot.
Philadelphia cut him during the season.
he's not known for defense.
robinson comes to mind. he seems to have upped his game.
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:50 pm to CelticDog
He didn’t have an NCAA tourney run, but thinking back to Aaron Nesmith (a guy I liked) it’s staggering how similar his and Hawkins scouting reports are. Down to them both being picked 14th.
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 6/24/23 at 12:56 am to CP3forMVP
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He didn’t have an NCAA tourney run, but thinking back to Aaron Nesmith (a guy I liked) it’s staggering how similar his and Hawkins scouting reports are. Down to them both being picked 14th.
That’s what I don’t get with people that love him. If he’s such a good shooter why did it only happen for one year? Trey shot 40% over 3 full seasons in college. The “best shoot in the draft” could only shoot 33% from 3 as a freshman?
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:01 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Hope so. He looked pretty solid on defense. However, on offense, he looked tentative and lost. I would like to see him build his confidence as he was a negative on offense.
I don't make projections and predictions very often because it's just hard to do. But one thing that never seems to fail, when players show you NBA skills against NBA players early, that means something. Mark my words, Dyson is going to at least become what Lonzo became pre career ending injury, but I'd wager he will end up even better.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:32 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:Did you notice he only played 14-15 minutes a game as a freshman and the sample size was much smaller?
That’s what I don’t get with people that love him. If he’s such a good shooter why did it only happen for one year? Trey shot 40% over 3 full seasons in college. The “best shoot in the draft” could only shoot 33% from 3 as a freshman?
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:19 pm to Balsamic_duck
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That’s what I don’t get with people that love him. If he’s such a good shooter why did it only happen for one year? Trey shot 40% over 3 full seasons in college. The “best shoot in the draft” could only shoot 33% from 3 as a freshman?
Considering players cannot make a jump from one season to the next huh?
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:24 pm to Soggymoss
quote:All players are robots and progress exactly the same!
Considering players cannot make a jump from one season to the next huh?
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:28 pm to Soggymoss
They literally designed an offense to run around him even after he shot those percentages. He was their offensive engine. It wasn't random and out of the blue. Think about that for a second. They knew how good he was and featured him in year 2.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:35 pm to CP3forMVP
Nesmith was in a bad situation. Boston had too many guards and kept adding starting caliber guard to their roster his entire time there.
They weren't interested in developing Nesmith. He's finally found his footing in Indiana with some consistent minutes and plays/actions being ran for him.
Hawkins had a much bigger sample size and against top end talent with a much more diverse shot profile. Nesmith had an amazing 14 games and showed his movement skills but they were mostly against cupcake teams that didn't even scheme to stop him. We never saw Nesmith against good defenses and never saw how he handled slumps/struggles. We all saw Hawkins playing with a short memory with a good sample size.
They weren't interested in developing Nesmith. He's finally found his footing in Indiana with some consistent minutes and plays/actions being ran for him.
Hawkins had a much bigger sample size and against top end talent with a much more diverse shot profile. Nesmith had an amazing 14 games and showed his movement skills but they were mostly against cupcake teams that didn't even scheme to stop him. We never saw Nesmith against good defenses and never saw how he handled slumps/struggles. We all saw Hawkins playing with a short memory with a good sample size.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 6:44 pm to supe12sta12z
I think alot of people are sleeping on Hawkins! Kid is more than just a shooter!
Posted on 6/27/23 at 6:53 pm to Balsamic_duck
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The “best shoot in the draft” could only shoot 33% from 3 as a freshman?
Buddy Hield shot 24% from 3P as a freshman. Donovan Mitchell 25%. That’s not even getting out of the top 4 NBA 3P shooters from this season. Means literally nothing
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