re: Trump declass'd everything why does the DOJ and media keep saying the docs are classified?

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You can’t just take any document or item and keep it after your presidency, just because you had access to it during your presidency.

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Not that I do either, necessarily, but I’m pretty certain that the vast majority of people weighing in on this have no idea what they’re talking about. Bordering on unanimously so even. An outgoing President does indeed have the right to claim and declare any document(s) personal in nature, which if deemed so carries a different connotation altogether. But wait, the Archives does also have the right to issue official opposition to any such claims and declarations by that President….which easily has the potential to be a drawn out process, the “litigation” of such a matter. In the meantime the President still has possession of the material given the fact that he or she would be holding steady to their position of “personal papers.”

I don’t think this is actually a rare occurrence at all. The process plays out subsequent to every Presidential end term.

Thank you!!

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He is being prosecuted under the espionage act.

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That is not possible under the Presidential Records Act.

That's what people don't understand. Mike Davis explains it over and over again. As well as Mark Levin.

He’s being charged under 18 793e

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Yes if he stole the documents after Biden was sworn in, but that's not the case here.

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That doesn’t matter though, as if he took them 30 seconds before Biden was sworn in is somehow different than if he took them 2 minutes later.

As a FORMER president, there are documents he can no longer possess, regardless of when he first possessed them.

Now we’re not usually talking about anything egregious as this, but it’s bound to happen. So then the government realizes “we are missing some documents,” requests the documents, and any non-idiot would return them, for the government to review and then put them where they below. And sometimes the government will even decide “these actually belong to you” and return them.

That said, while any non-idiot would return them, only an idiot would return some but refuse to return a bunch, lie about it, then try to hide and destroy evidence of it, forcing the government to get a search warrant.

So now the idiot is facing potential criminal violation, but that idiot might be ok if the documents are not clearly documents he cannot posses, that are covered under a law
for National Defense Information and require even presidents to access them in secure storage facilities.

But these are really obvious documents, so it takes a special level of idiocy to return them, lie about it, then get to hide/destroy evidence. And that level of idiocy will result in a criminal indictment, and almost assuredly a conviction, especially if that idiot has admitted to the stuff on a taped interview and involved other people in the idiocy.

Now one wouldn’t think someone who was president would reach those levels of idiocy, but apparently Trump has decided to prove that wrong here.

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You have any actual credentials to prove the level of expertise that you’re proffering there, or you just talking out your arse? Or talking out the side of your neck, if you will

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No special level of expertise, but nobody in this thread has that. But one doesn’t need special expertise to understand something so obvious here. But plenty of experts, even those who have defended Trump, or at least called out the government, in other situations, like McCarthy and Turley have explained that this is damning and a strong indictment.

Of course, the government has to prove the case and provide the evidence they listed in the indictment, but if those things are shown to be true, then it’s clearly going to be tough for Trump to win.

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That doesn’t matter though, as if he took them 30 seconds before Biden was sworn in is somehow different than if he took them 2 minutes later.

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But it does though.

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He’s being charged under 18 793e

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Again...Impossible for a president.

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That was dated January 19. How stupid is Trump...and by extension Trumptards?

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Biden was sworn in January 20th. Moron.

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Because the documents they found had nothing to do with Crossfire Hurricane