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re: Trump declass'd everything why does the DOJ and media keep saying the docs are classified?
Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:38 pm to boosiebadazz
Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:38 pm to boosiebadazz
Why would he/we? There’s language proscribing that power to the President, end of the line type power. But no language at all in reference to any particular procedural requirements. So POTUS has highest authority to declassify; no noted procedural requirements…….what’s left to say?
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:40 pm to Y.A. Tittle
I think most guys acquiesced to the loss and/or terming out and had an orderly transition out of office.
They followed procedures and advice of staff and turned over what they needed to and kept what they were allowed to.
On what planet is it OK for the former President to keep literally any document he wants no matter the sensitivity of it? That’s crazy town.
They followed procedures and advice of staff and turned over what they needed to and kept what they were allowed to.
On what planet is it OK for the former President to keep literally any document he wants no matter the sensitivity of it? That’s crazy town.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:41 pm to davyjones
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There’s language proscribing that power to the President, end of the line type power. But no language at all in reference to any particular procedural requirements. So POTUS has highest authority to declassify; no noted procedural requirements…….what’s left to say?
Then it should be pretty easy to quote and/or cite here.
Go ahead and give it to us. By literally thinking it, so it is done…
Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:43 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Don't you think it would at least be smart to have a paper trail? Like maybe basic common sense, especially with the whole Deep State Mafia willing to do anything to destroy you?
Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:46 pm to boosiebadazz
That’s the point though, if you assert that there’s a paper trail process, then I’d think it’s on you to provide that. Otherwise, as I’m pointing out, in the absence thereof, you’re simply left with a subjective declaration of the President.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:48 pm to boosiebadazz
If he had access to them before, those documents, in their present form as he was reading them, were all before 1/20/20. How is he in possession of illegal documents when he had access to all documents?
Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:50 pm to davyjones
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you’re simply left with a subjective declaration of the President.
That's my point though. At some point the word of this man just isn't worth the trouble. Even if he does have these mystical powers of thought-declassification it would've taken 10 minutes to have an EO typed up but no, that was too much trouble for Trump, he'd much rather have his army of nitwits making these fool-arse arguments on Twitter and message boards at some point in the future. Just couldn't be bothered.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:54 pm to davyjones
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with a subjective declaration of the President.
But can you even point me to that?
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:48 pm to imjustafatkid
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There does not have to be record of it. The president can declassify at a whim.
as the case proceeds you will learn how it really works.
dude, if there is no record it did not happen.
records are how everyone who needs to know knows.
there is no kind of declassification without letting people know, in writing.
he wishes he could wave a magic wand. no one can.
this will be a topic in court. early on.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:53 pm to CelticDog
You are blatantly being ignorant of other laws, such as the PRA.
Stop commenting.
Do research.
Stop commenting.
Do research.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 11:03 pm to 94LSU
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Don't you think it would at least be smart to have a paper trail? Like maybe basic common sense,
there's part of this makes no sense. he can fast talk some reporter about "I think so, therefore it is", but we have reports of instances of his actually doing it by the book.
can someone explain why he moved the stuff?
or said he didn't have any more?
Posted on 6/9/23 at 11:06 pm to gmac8604
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You are blatantly being ignorant of other laws, such as the PRA
Jack smith disagrees.
Supremes will decide.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 5:40 am to Joeybd
The President doesn't have to do anything to declassify.
Carter went on TV and gave out top secret info. By doing that, it was declassified and there was no paper trail.
Carter went on TV and gave out top secret info. By doing that, it was declassified and there was no paper trail.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 6:03 am to CelticDog
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there is no kind of declassification without letting people know, in writing.
Ah, so in a war situation with thousands of lives on the line and minutes count,
he has to stop everything and write up a memo under a complex process before he can share vital information.
Please.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 6:11 am to TrueTiger
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Ah, so in a war situation with thousands of lives on the line and minutes count,
he has to stop everything and write up a memo under a complex process before he can share vital information.
And you think that means he can steal documents with military plans and nuclear secrets.
quote:
Please.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 6:52 am to mmcgrath
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And you think that means he can steal documents with military plans and nuclear secrets.
Steal?
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:00 am to TrueTiger
Yeah, Trump snuck into the file room and “stole” some classified national defense documents.
These folks don’t even seem to have a baseline understanding of the most fundamental aspects of this thing. The aspect giving them the most trouble at the present moment? The parameters of how all the documents and effects end up in the inventory of docs accompanying the President from WH to secure MAL section to begin with.
These folks don’t even seem to have a baseline understanding of the most fundamental aspects of this thing. The aspect giving them the most trouble at the present moment? The parameters of how all the documents and effects end up in the inventory of docs accompanying the President from WH to secure MAL section to begin with.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:13 am to GumboPot
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Furthermore the federal government archivists moved those documents down to MAL.
This should be front and center. These malcontents seem to want to portray this as Trump had his henchmen load them all up in the dead of night and hauled them off.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:26 am to GumboPot
They're saying it, but it's not material. Their charge is that these are defense secrets. Classification is irrelevant.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:27 am to GumboPot
Presidents .....at least all past Presidents in recent history tend to leave a record of things they declassify....you know write it down. Hell, All Trump would have had to do on the way out would have been. "All cleared records in my possession as of 11:59 pm January 19,2001 EST are hereby declassified and as such open for public review. This includes all records in my possession that are deemed secret all the way up to all records classified as TS/SCI with a Full Scope Polygraph designation....signed DJT.
.....see how easy that would be? Oh, the National Archives could bitch, the IC could have ulcers, but at the end there would not be a damned thing they could do.....
But the Don did not do that, did he?
Once again, he trips over his own dick.
.....see how easy that would be? Oh, the National Archives could bitch, the IC could have ulcers, but at the end there would not be a damned thing they could do.....
But the Don did not do that, did he?
Once again, he trips over his own dick.
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