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re: I'm not as pessimistic as others, there are reasons why you wouldn't pitch Skenes today..
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:07 am to drizztiger
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:07 am to drizztiger
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:09 am to 13
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Ok, so explain what the best rotation is to win the regional and please don’t leave out the details. I appreciate your response, but I guess I’m trying to understand what better situation we could be in from a pitching standpoint (considering our opponents for THIS weekend) going into game two
Our best pitcher… the best pitcher in the country… is not available to pitch against the toughest team we could face in our regional. We wasted him on a 19-40 team without any real ace pitcher.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:11 am to Choupique19
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is not available to pitch against the toughest team we could face in our regional.
And they’re down two pitchers.
I’m not certain but didn’t they use their best pitcher in tonight’s game?
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:14 am to 13
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So if PS doesn’t start Friday, but instead starts Saturday and we don’t win the regional, would it still be the right call?
It wouldn’t be wrong. Starting him today want wrong it’s just wasn’t the obvious decision from the outside. JJ obviously thinks their best chance to win is with a full pen and it is. Stop with the pearl clutching Floyd can and should give at least 5 innings with the lead assuming LSU hits.
Somehow OSU turned into juggernaut and LSU is running Clay Dirks out there.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:14 am to Choupique19
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The coaches job is to give his players the best chance to succeed. Jay did not do that with his pitching rotation.
Was I the only one that noticed we only won by 5 today? The way everyone is assuming such a huge dropoff going to Floyd, how in the world are y'all so 100% can't possibly be wrong that we were absolutely guaranteed a win with Floyd on the mound?
Just flat out asking: do any of y'all even perceive the possibility that your analysis could be wrong, and that the guy who's got his team in the winner's bracket as a #5 National Seed (and also happens to be a career college baseball coach with decades of successful experience) just might know something y'all don't?
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:16 am to Choupique19
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Those arms have lost 3 of the last 4 times they have been available to pitch.
Floyd has been solid for the last three weeks.
He’s not bulletproof but he’s been solid.
I don’t understand why worry about something that might happen.
Like it’s a foregone conclusion that we won’t win game two.
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go ahead and trust that combo
Combo?
Floyd, Hurd, Ack, Guidry just to name a few. A little more than a combo.
Not trying to be rude or anything but I’m optimistic.
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 1:20 am
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:21 am to Choupique19
Thank you, I think that is a fair point/though. However, I wouldn’t consider it a waste considering we scored 7 runs and used only one pitcher.
Now we’ll face a weekday starter from OSU and we’ll trot out our 2nd best along with an entire bullpen for back up.
I do see your reasoning but I’m not sure OSU’s 4th pitcher is a matchup that we should be adamant about throwing Skenes against.
Now we’ll face a weekday starter from OSU and we’ll trot out our 2nd best along with an entire bullpen for back up.
I do see your reasoning but I’m not sure OSU’s 4th pitcher is a matchup that we should be adamant about throwing Skenes against.
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 1:25 am
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:31 am to King Joey
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Was I the only one that noticed we only won by 5 today?
I seeent it! AND I’m hoping Floyd comes out tomorrow and throws a nine inning no hitter just to see this board lose its mind in frustration and jubilation all at once! Lol
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:45 am to Choupique19
Dude, you are basically saying we were guaranteed a win today no matter who we threw, but are doomed tomorrow because it isn’t Skenes. The pitching staff you’re considering an automatic win with on Friday is the same one you’re claiming dooms us Saturday. If we would have threw Floyd tonight and lost, would you have saved PS bc we MIGHT play OSU in the winners bracket after eliminating someone?
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:49 am to drizztiger
I swear this board is full f dumbasses. The most rational LSU fans can see the argument both ways. I was disappointed we threw Skenes but I am not gonna cry about it. The most aggravating LSU fans are those that cry about crying
Posted on 6/3/23 at 3:30 am to TackySweater
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“It didn’t happen my way so it’s the wrong way!!”
This is everyone who didn’t want Skenes pitching
No. It's because you could ask anyone who ever coached the game, and probably 95% of them would tell you it was objectively the wrong move. The other 5% would probably say something about showing respect for the opponent.
Here's the logic of why the move makes no sense: Sure, you could have started, say, Hurd in this game and maybe the unthinkable happens and we lose. But what is more likely? That we lose to a 19-40 team with Hurd on the mound, or that we lose to Oregon State with Floyd on the mound, instead of Skenes?
If the answer isn't obvious to anyone, then I don't quite know how to take people's opinions very seriously. The only reason I can think of why coach started Skenes against Tulane, is that he falls in that 5% (or whatever the number might be) of coaches who are superstitious about not going with their best in game 1, no matter the opponent. Because there is certainly no tactical argument to be made. None that make any sense, that come to mind.
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 3:31 am
Posted on 6/3/23 at 3:55 am to 13
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So if PS doesn’t start Friday, but instead starts Saturday and we don’t win the regional, would it still be the right call?
This is not a complicated question to answer. Of course it would still be the right move. Decisions are never made with future outcomes already known. They are made (or should be made) based on data that has already been established. It doesn't matter if we're talking about sports, or anything else. You should be able to trust your team to beat Tulane without your ace on the mound. We have lots of evidence to suggest that we can't trust anyone after Skenes to give us a good outing against a good team. We have witnessed what Floyd and Hurd are capable of, but the percentages, and just plain common sense, suggests that you want to lineup Skenes for Saturday. Even if it doesn't work. Would it be more likely to not work? No more thought is required than that. When you have this much of a drop off from your ace to your number 2, there is no reason to overthink it.
It's amazing to me to see some of the people in this thread defending this move on the basis that we won, and therefore the plan must have worked. Are people really this obtuse, or are they intentionally evading the actual point some of us are making, because they can't come up with an argument against it? No one should be surprised that we won this game. Clearly our skepticism is based on how it affects the rest of the regional, having burned our ace against by far the worst team in the regional, and probably the worst team in the entire tournament field.
No outcome in this regional is going to make sense of this decision. We've been over this numerous times in the past. A good outcome does not equal a good decision, automatically. Like if Beloso tried to steal home, and the pitcher threw the ball to the backstop. Bad decision, good outcome.
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 3:58 am
Posted on 6/3/23 at 4:48 am to MT555
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Regardless if it works or not it isn’t the right call.
that makes no sense whatsoever. 
Posted on 6/3/23 at 5:57 am to drizztiger
Stop.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 6:09 am to Metaloctopus
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It's amazing to me to see some of the people in this thread defending this move on the basis that we won, and therefore the plan must have worked. Are people really this obtuse, or are they intentionally evading the actual point some of us are making, because they can't come up with an argument against it? No one should be surprised that we won this game. Clearly our skepticism is based on how it affects the rest of the regional, having burned our ace against by far the worst team in the regional, and probably the worst team in the entire tournament field.
Well said
Posted on 6/3/23 at 6:17 am to Choupique19
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Exactly. The coaches job is to give his players the best chance to succeed. Jay did not do that with his pitching rotation. Now it’s up to the players to bail him out.
Why because Skip did it? You know what Skip also did moron? Pitch McDonald as a closer 2 days later after throwing 120”-150 pitches on a weekend and in a tournament. How many championships did he win with Ben? HOW MANY MLB PITCHERS HE HAD ON THE 1989 TEAM AND DIDNT WIN?
He also never had to win 2/3 to win a championship. He also didn’t have to deal with year round baseball like this day and age.
You fear OSU is why you’re crying. You have to beat them without Skenes regardless if you believe they are clearly better than Tulane or Sam with their remaining pitchers. I do not.
Tulane would have hit Floyd harder than Skenes and they hit him HARD.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 6:25 am to Tiger1988
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You fear OSU is why you’re crying.
What are the percentages LSU beats OSU with Skenes as starting pitcher? Maybe 85-90%?
What are the percentages LSU beats OSU with Floyd and the rested bullpen beating OSU?
55-60%?
What are the odds LSU beats Tulane with Floyd and the rested bullpen? 80-85%?
That’s why you save Skenes for the 1-0 game of the regional.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 6:34 am to Choupique19
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What are the percentages LSU beats OSU with Skenes as starting pitcher? Maybe 85-90%? What are the percentages LSU beats OSU with Floyd and the rested bullpen beating OSU? 55-60%?
NOBODY can predict this but I’ll take a shot. OSU is a contact (grind out ABs) team like TAMU meaning they will run his pitch count up. While Skenes may have pitched good for 5-6 innings (6 is his average), LSU would have still needed 3-4 innings of relief. This means LSU would have used relievers versus Tulane because no way does Floyd go 9 versus them and LSU couldn’t afford to lose that game AND use relievers AND face OSU without good enough relief pitching remaining.
Now LSU can use all of them except Hurd probably and feel good about mixing it up versus OSU. Floyd for 4-5, then whomever matches up best, which may not be Ack. Johnson would have been tempted to use Hurd in long relief and burn him because of how well they hit.
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 7:01 am
Posted on 6/3/23 at 6:37 am to TackySweater
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Regardless if it works or not it isn’t the right call.
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“Even if we win, it wasn’t done my way!!!!”
That's a straw man. You did not accurately describe his point. His larger point was correct in terms of optimal thinking/strategy.
Now, I can't assess if he's correct as it applies to this situation (the strategy he's criticizing may have been the optimal strategy and you won), and I'm not weighing in on that.
I'm just saying you used a logical fallacy in response.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 6:41 am to drizztiger
I was honestly surprised by the move. I probably wouldn’t have done it but Jay knows more about baseball than me and he certainly knows more about the intricacies of our team. It’s not unreasonable to question the move but it is certainly ridiculous to call it the “Worst coaching decision in the history of baseball”
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