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re: How is the income tax legal?
Posted on 5/29/23 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/29/23 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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They amended the constitution
Yes, and the texts of the debate in Congress were amazing:
'I promise that if we create this income tax it will NEVER exceed 2%.'
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Posted on 5/29/23 at 11:36 am to Picayuner
quote:Another “Conservative” who has never bothered to read the Constitution.
How is the income tax legal?
Posted on 5/29/23 at 11:39 am to Marcus Aurelius
quote:Just another nail in the coffin of American federalism.
What is your issue with the 17th?
Posted on 5/29/23 at 11:42 am to Padme
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Except they aren't though, they are regressive taxes that hit the poor disproportionately hard.quote:
How would you know, since it’s never been implemented?
Posted on 5/29/23 at 11:45 am to AggieHank86
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AggieHank86
Careful Hank. You're making some sense in this thread. Freaking me out a little
Posted on 5/29/23 at 11:45 am to Picayuner
16th Amendment was ratified.
Supposedly.
The "Progressive" amendments (16th-19th) have wrought tremendous damage to this nation.
Supposedly.
The "Progressive" amendments (16th-19th) have wrought tremendous damage to this nation.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 11:51 am to Picayuner
Ronbot Ronbot Ronbot!!
Heeeeeeeere's Ronny!
Heeeeeeeere's Ronny!
This post was edited on 5/29/23 at 11:53 am
Posted on 5/29/23 at 12:05 pm to AggieHank86
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Except they aren't though, they are regressive taxes that hit the poor disproportionately hard.
If the poor got off the 1,000s of welfare programs we have (funded with our income tax) and go to work they wouldn't be poor.
The latest scam I found out about: P.T.S.D. You think it's for combat vets? Nope. It's for everybody. A woman I saw on TV gets $700 a month due to PTSD because her child was killed in a car accident. She's been getting the check for 9 years because the trauma prevents her from working.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 12:28 pm to Picayuner
What's your proposal to pay for government?
Bootstraps?
Bootstraps?
Posted on 5/29/23 at 12:55 pm to BeepNode
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What's your proposal to pay for government?
National sales tax
Each state pays the federal government money for essential services that only a federal government can do(military, foreign affairs, etc)
How each state raises their portion to the federal government is up to their state legislatures. Florida revenue streams are vastly different than Alaska but Alaska cost of living is substantially higher than a Floridian’s. Florida could increase tourism taxes and Alaska tax oil, tourism, and fisheries more to pay their portion to the feds.
An income tax not only hinders productivity but disproportionately hurts wager earners in high COL areas.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 12:58 pm to Picayuner
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Consumption taxes are the only fair taxes.
100% agreed.
But fair =/= legal.
Should, bud doesn't.
Why does a person who buys a vehicle outright and then pays the tax to buy it, have to continue to pay that tax once per year indefinitely?
Why does a person who buys a home or land, pay their tax on that home/land upon purchase but still have to pay a yearly property tax on something upon which they've already paid taxes?
Why are we taxed a significant portion of our gross income pre-pay, from state, federal, social security etc. but then the money that the government actually does let us keep, gets taxed again when we spend that money that has already been taxed?
The only answer is government bloat. These people who rule us refuse to work within a budget they can afford, so they must find a way to increase that budget- which is only possible through more unfair taxation.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 12:59 pm to Zach
quote:Her case may or may not have merit, but why would “traumatic stress” be limited to combat stress?
The latest scam I found out about: P.T.S.D. You think it's for combat vets? Nope. It's for everybody. A woman I saw on TV gets $700 a month due to PTSD because her child was killed in a car accident.
This post was edited on 5/29/23 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 5/29/23 at 1:33 pm to AggieHank86
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Her case may or may not have merit, but why would “traumatic stress” be limited to combat stress?
Because we should have limits to stealing other people's money.
Everyone has stress. Therefore, everyone deserves money from govt. There is no bright line. At least military service is a bright line.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 1:37 pm to ksayetiger
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The income tax is racist. It unfairly puts a tax on whites but no other races.
quote:
Asians will argue with you you are wrong
Anybody with a job will argue with the moron.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 2:04 pm to Picayuner
What pisses me off more than the first time they grab your taxes is when you make more money after paying your taxes and they screw you again. They take that seed money from you constantly.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 2:28 pm to Picayuner
It is the most unfair method of taxation.
It punishes capital rather than inviting it which is what America should embrace.
It becomes a political football used to divide us as. Democrats vilify wealth in exchange for promotion of reliance on government for assistance.
Consumption taxation is a far more equitable way to tax citizens. It allows for freedom to save and grow wealth while being conscious of consumption which leads to a more balanced lifestyle. Americans generally lean toward over consumption- from food to hard goods, Ed over consume.
A consumption tax would also lead to a smaller carbon footprint which the left holds so dear.
Unfortunately, we’re taxed on both income and consumption in America.
Imagine the power of this economic engine if only we allowed income to go untouched by greedy and I constrained government
It punishes capital rather than inviting it which is what America should embrace.
It becomes a political football used to divide us as. Democrats vilify wealth in exchange for promotion of reliance on government for assistance.
Consumption taxation is a far more equitable way to tax citizens. It allows for freedom to save and grow wealth while being conscious of consumption which leads to a more balanced lifestyle. Americans generally lean toward over consumption- from food to hard goods, Ed over consume.
A consumption tax would also lead to a smaller carbon footprint which the left holds so dear.
Unfortunately, we’re taxed on both income and consumption in America.
Imagine the power of this economic engine if only we allowed income to go untouched by greedy and I constrained government
Posted on 5/29/23 at 2:43 pm to Marcus Aurelius
So y'all prefer a corrupt state Representatives select someone as opposed to casting your own vote? I'll take my chances with MY vote.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 3:10 pm to Picayuner
My Grand Père told me this in one conversation a long time in the past that when they were asking for support of the income tax it was only going to be for those making millions of dollars each year.
They lied then just like they do now.
They lied then just like they do now.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 3:12 pm to hottub
quote:
National sales tax
OK - how is that more constitutional than income taxes?
Posted on 5/29/23 at 3:18 pm to BeepNode
quote:
how is that more constitutional than income taxes?
Your question was about constitutionally but how to fund the federal government
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