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re: Livingston Parish 1% tax for teacher raises fails to pass

Posted on 3/26/23 at 8:24 pm to
Posted by Rossberg02
Member since Jun 2016
2591 posts
Posted on 3/26/23 at 8:24 pm to
Glad LP voted. It hard to give more taxes when the Parish/Cities are allowing themselves to be raped with residential development. Every major corridor is being crammed with shitty DSLD homes or townhomes.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
140462 posts
Posted on 3/26/23 at 8:25 pm to
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Sorry we didn’t all get to take time out of our lives to go sit in a 10x10 to see where went wrong
but you do agree something went wrong and mistakes were made
Posted by secondandshort
Member since Jan 2014
1028 posts
Posted on 3/26/23 at 8:31 pm to
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I'm sure you're completely aware that is entirely in the best interests of every school district, in any state, to declare every kid they can special needs (obv not in the cases of wheelchair bound,etc., but ADD, ADHD, etc) because of the additional funding and aides that get paid for by the feds, right?


That is not accurate. The number of ODD, anxiety,ADHD, etc has corrupted SPED from its original intent. Parents use it as a crutch and politicians use it as feel good policies. SPED was intended to help kids who had deficiencies not protect bad arse kids from being kicked out of school. Whenever a politician steps up to rework SPED and the qualifications to be SPED, they’ll have my vote. SPED is a nightmare not a windfall.
Posted by chuckitdeep
Member since Nov 2008
731 posts
Posted on 3/26/23 at 8:37 pm to
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but you do agree something went wrong and mistakes were made


It definitely seems like something went wrong and you made some mistakes or you wouldn’t have gone to jail.
I’m more worried about making LP and even AP better. Wherever you are now I’m sure it’s perfect and glad you found a spot to be happy. LP and AP generally turn out some pretty good students and in this case LP deserved the salary increase to retain teachers and to attract new teachers.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
5754 posts
Posted on 3/26/23 at 8:48 pm to
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Did you read the proposal for the tax? It specifically states this tax was for salaries and that is all it could be used for.


This is not like prior increase or even a special district with specific area like Jubans increase under R.S. 47:338.54 where school board (or parish/police jury when applicable) is doing it, controlling, and bound by its defined usage stated on voter referendum.

This is controlled by the new educational facilities improvement district which just requires voter authorization to add the 1% above and beyond anything already taxed for school district. Not sure it’s bound by words in tax election and could easily be stated as still assisting district free up money for increases by creating debt through bonds paid for by collected sales tax. This is only the 3rd district like this ever created in the state and originally set up for specific problem districts before rest of state allowed to use it if needed.

Why create a new educational facilities improvement district and appoint board members with power to:
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Each district, as a body corporate and politic and as a political subdivision of the state with full corporate powers, shall have the following rights and powers:
(1) To adopt bylaws for the regulation of its affairs and the conduct of its business.
(2) To adopt an official seal and alter the seal at its pleasure.
(3) To maintain an office at such place as it may designate and to occupy space for such purposes as may be made available by a school board.
(4) To sue and be sued.
(5) To receive, administer, and comply with the conditions and requirements respecting any gift, grant, guarantee, subsidy, or donation of any property or money.
(6) To borrow money and issue bonds or obligations of the district in the manner provided by this Section and to refund the same.
(7) To apply and contract for assistance from the United States or other public or private sources, whether in the form of a grant, guarantee, loan, or otherwise, or to serve and act in such capacities on behalf of a school board when necessary or desirable to apply for and accept such grants, guarantees, subsidies, loans, or other assistance.
(8) To make and execute contracts and other instruments necessary in the exercise of the powers and functions of the district under this Section, including contracts with persons, firms, corporations, and others.
(9) To pledge or assign any monies, fees, charges, or other revenues and any proceeds derived by the district from the sale of bonds and other contracts or rights of the district.
(10) To employ such employees, to make use of such persons as a school board may make available to the board for its use, and to employ or otherwise retain the services of accountants, financial advisors, underwriters, attorneys, and such other consultants as may be required in the judgment of the board and to fix and pay their compensation from funds available to the district therefor.
(11) To research, study, and develop plans and programs designed to assist the respective school boards and to review such plans and services as a respective school board may determine to accomplish any of the purposes or address any of the objectives or findings in this Section.
(12) To enter into a cooperative endeavor agreement with the respective school board to transfer all or any portion of the proceeds derived by a district from collections of the tax and the sale of bonds to the respective school board, to make grants and donations to, and to purchase any obligation of, the respective school board or enter into a cooperative endeavor agreement with any political subdivision of the state to accomplish any of the purposes, objectives, or findings in this Section.
(13) As security for the payment of any bonds issued hereunder and any agreements made in connection therewith, to pledge or mortgage all or any part of its revenues or properties as provided in the resolution or trust agreement authorizing such bonds.
(14) To accept the mortgage, pledge, hypothecation, assignment, grant, or donation of any properties of the school board.
(15) To exercise any and all other powers necessary to accomplish the purposes set forth herein.
(16) To invest its monies in accordance with law.



Livingston has high sales tax and then board creates an tax entity with its own board and a lot of power and responsibilities that were meant to help districts with very problematic facilities.

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Livingston Parish has the eighth highest sales tax rate in the state, records show. That number ranges between 8.45%-10.45% with the exception of the Juban Crossing area, which has the highest tax rate of 10.95%.

This post was edited on 3/26/23 at 9:55 pm
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6552 posts
Posted on 3/26/23 at 8:49 pm to
Stop thinking so hard. I'm explicitly not calling out *actual* special needs kids, but behavioral "classifications." School districts get paid by the head, when kids attend, and get more when they're "designated" with some disability, which increases the amount of TAs they may get funded for, etc.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but everyone, and every organization, responds to incentives. FedGov created the incentive to classify as many kids as possible as some sort of special needs through various means.

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Whenever a politician steps up to rework SPED


So you're going to stand up to the teacher conglomerate?
Posted by secondandshort
Member since Jan 2014
1028 posts
Posted on 3/26/23 at 9:11 pm to
I’m not a politician but Heck yes.. But it’s not the teacher conglomerate in my opinion. It’s the parent conglomerate.

I know there are legitimate disabilities but if you could offer No sped but no sped money, I would guarantee most schools would take the no sped option. There is just so much red tape the money don’t worth it.
Posted by EST
Investigating
Member since Oct 2003
17853 posts
Posted on 3/26/23 at 10:04 pm to
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Compared to other districts LP is drastically understaffed


Perhaps other school districts are also overstaffed?

Too many admins who do nothing that impacts actual classroom instruction.

Posted by EST
Investigating
Member since Oct 2003
17853 posts
Posted on 3/26/23 at 10:06 pm to
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They definitely serve a purpose instructing teachers on best practices in teaching the curriculum as well as being a resource


I'm a teacher and I can tell you this is complete BS.
Posted by PaintCompany
Springfield
Member since Aug 2022
128 posts
Posted on 3/26/23 at 10:36 pm to
Ever consider the number of plants on the river that bring revenue to the parish. How many in LP. I’m, yea 0
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
42108 posts
Posted on 3/26/23 at 11:11 pm to
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It is a sad day for Livingston schools. Before long they’ll be joining EBR and Tangi in school scores!


Ascension (on average) pays their teachers an extra $250 per month.

Find another way to pay for raises, we're taxed enough in LP
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
42108 posts
Posted on 3/26/23 at 11:13 pm to
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Glad LP voted. It hard to give more taxes when the Parish/Cities are allowing themselves to be raped with residential development. Every major corridor is being crammed with shitty DSLD homes or townhomes.


1000%
Posted by tigerstripedjacket
This side of the wall
Member since Sep 2011
3004 posts
Posted on 3/26/23 at 11:41 pm to
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Ascension (on average) pays their teachers an extra $250 per month.


You must not have had the luxury of a good math teacher.

Ascension starts their employees out at 3k higher, but on AVERAGE it’s much higher. At year 11 in ascension the teacher earns what the highest listed teacher salary (26 years) has for LP.

If you’re only recruiting inexperienced teachers, fine. But if you want to hold on to experience or recruit veteran talent, what you said is not accurate.
Posted by turnpiketiger
Southeast Texas
Member since May 2020
9580 posts
Posted on 3/27/23 at 5:42 am to
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Who would have thought people that are already paying 10.5% tax are sick and tired of getting taxed to death?


You mean sales tax? Y’all have no idea what actual taxes are until you own a home in a Texas metro area. It’s California Lite
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
42108 posts
Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:21 am to
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Ascension starts their employees out at 3k higher, but on AVERAGE it’s much higher. At year 11 in ascension the teacher earns what the highest listed teacher salary (26 years) has for LP.


I'd like to see this data
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
67051 posts
Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:31 am to
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Who would have thought people that are already paying 10.5% tax are sick and tired of getting taxed to death? Livingston Parish Schools have a $400 million budget. Maybe the Sheriff's office can quit buying $40,000 Tahoes for the deputies that serve papers and move it to the schools?

ETA: 54% voted No


interesting. don’t know much about the situation over there. But me personally, I’d rather greatly over pay teachers and police officers if i were given a magic wand to improve society. Make them the highest paid state employees by a mile. Make it competitive AF to recruit the best.

You want to see / find waste of tax payer money, start looking up how much these administrators, multiple vice principles, and principles make. these people have no other real world experience, no resume to do anything else, and minimum education. yet make as much as doctors, dentists, and lawyers? there’s your millions in waste
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 6:39 am
Posted by Lutcher Lad
South of the Mason-Dixon Line
Member since Sep 2009
5812 posts
Posted on 3/27/23 at 7:50 am to
I'm glad to see that voters turned this down. Taxpayers have had enough! I know this was an added tax and no one should be paying more than the Livingston Parish folks.
What urks the shite out of me is when the proponents of a tax renewal spew out that this tax won't cost you anything extra than what you're paying already.
Duh! With prices going through the roof on almost everything you buy it is wise to cut back on your spending where ever you can, even if it means voting a tax renewal down. Make 'em have to change their spending habits just as you have to during these Joe Biden years!
VOTE NO FOR ANY TAX INCREASE OR RENEWAL!
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7349 posts
Posted on 3/27/23 at 7:54 am to
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$40,000 Tahoes


Sign me up for one of those....

Seriously though....I would bet that the construction of a new high school in any parish of Louisiana would be comparable to the same cost per square foot of a hospital. The design of new schools nationwide is an outrage. Construction costs are high enough without the crap that is required by code and the insistence of parents that a school look like an ivy league campus. I would also bet that there have been some contractors and architects busted and sent to jail for stealing money while building schools...if it ain't happened its because they ain't been caught because it is commonplace in most states. Hire a good teacher and in Louisiana give them an air conditioned room to teach in and they will do a fantastic job. They do not need terrazo floors and state of the art lighting and HVAC systems and communication systems...they need to be paid like the professionals they are and allowed to do their job...they don't need cherry furniture just because Joe Bob's Furniture Emporium's uncle is the Architect and Joe Bob was "low bidder".
Posted by Tygerfan
Member since Jan 2004
33746 posts
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:16 am to
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The new BRPD Tahoe is well over $100K



Tell me you have zero clue about what your saying without actually saying it.

The Tahoe is on the state contract, which all law enforcement agencies in the state are able to purchase from. The cost of the Tahoe on the state contract with Chevrolet is $36,000, and around $2500 for lights and graphics.
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 8:24 am
Posted by Tygerfan
Member since Jan 2004
33746 posts
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:18 am to
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This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 8:19 am
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