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Any consensus on the reason for cutting with fentanyl?
Posted on 3/19/23 at 12:35 am
Posted on 3/19/23 at 12:35 am
I’m certain it’s been touched upon, but might I bother any of you to offer any reasonable theories on why dealers are cutting your various choices of speed narcotics with fent? And unbeknownst to the customer, at that. Intentionally so.
As you all know well, the speeds and fentanyl net the consumer completely opposite effects. It’s like someone cutting your lortab (hydrocodone) with meth. It don’t make no sense damn it. Why the hell would allow the potential loss of return customers? I’m no expert, but that doesn’t strike me as a prudent business model.
As you all know well, the speeds and fentanyl net the consumer completely opposite effects. It’s like someone cutting your lortab (hydrocodone) with meth. It don’t make no sense damn it. Why the hell would allow the potential loss of return customers? I’m no expert, but that doesn’t strike me as a prudent business model.
This post was edited on 3/19/23 at 12:37 am
Posted on 3/19/23 at 12:40 am to davyjones
More addictive, keeps them coming back. Bit yea, less money in the end for them so it makes no sense.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 12:51 am to davyjones
Margins. The drug game is all about margins and profitability. Dealers don’t give a shite about people OD’ing.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:01 am to davyjones
I don’t really get it. You’re risking killing your customers.
On another note, I’ve had fentanyl once, in a hospital setting, and I’m not gonna lie, it was fricking amazing. Too amazing though. I can see why people would chase that high, unfortunately.
On another note, I’ve had fentanyl once, in a hospital setting, and I’m not gonna lie, it was fricking amazing. Too amazing though. I can see why people would chase that high, unfortunately.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:28 am to davyjones
Fentanyl is cheaper and easier to get than some of the other drugs. They can lace a little fentanyl with powder and sell it for other things. The buyers get high and all is good. They put it in marijuana to get a bigger high. Addicts want the rush. Dealers want money. Simple
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:30 am to davyjones
As a drug dealer, you want your product to be as strong as possible for as cheap as possible. The low level dealers aren’t the ones cutting heroin with fentanyl or fentanyl analogs. It’s the folks that are selling kilos and those that are making fake pressed pills that are using a fent analog to make the pills and cut the dope.
Seen a poster talking about receiving medical fentanyl and let me tell you, medical Fent has nothing on real heroin, especially black tar or east coast drugs powder as far as the feelings of euphoria.
I hate fentanyl and fentanyl analogues. They have completely ruined the drug game. From fake percs and Roxie’s to weighing/ cutting coke on the same surfaces and cross contaminating. Don’t even get me started on cutting dope with tranquilizers smh. You can’t even get high these days without having someone around you with Narcan just in case.
Seen a poster talking about receiving medical fentanyl and let me tell you, medical Fent has nothing on real heroin, especially black tar or east coast drugs powder as far as the feelings of euphoria.
I hate fentanyl and fentanyl analogues. They have completely ruined the drug game. From fake percs and Roxie’s to weighing/ cutting coke on the same surfaces and cross contaminating. Don’t even get me started on cutting dope with tranquilizers smh. You can’t even get high these days without having someone around you with Narcan just in case.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:57 am to davyjones
Remember when people were just selling Crack everywhere?
I remember people calling it "cheese" for slang
I remember people calling it "cheese" for slang
This post was edited on 3/19/23 at 1:58 am
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:59 am to davyjones
Most people will point to money, which is part of it but not the whole story.
Potent drugs like fentanyl are also a trafficker's dream since due to their potency they require much smaller volumes of drugs to be moved across borders. When 1/100th of the volume gives the same efficacy it makes their life easier.
While one might think even addicts would be actively avoiding fentanyl the hard core addicts actually seek it out because they get more bang for their buck at least initially.
But there is a new wave coming. Polysubstance use has been around forever (classic example is an 8 ball) the new "high" is fentanyl mixed with benzos. It is a whole other level of high and a whole other level of OD danger but hard core addicts are now seeking it out. I don't understand the mindset but benzodope and tranq are the next big thing on the streets. "Tranq" is Xylazine laced drugs.
Potent drugs like fentanyl are also a trafficker's dream since due to their potency they require much smaller volumes of drugs to be moved across borders. When 1/100th of the volume gives the same efficacy it makes their life easier.
While one might think even addicts would be actively avoiding fentanyl the hard core addicts actually seek it out because they get more bang for their buck at least initially.
But there is a new wave coming. Polysubstance use has been around forever (classic example is an 8 ball) the new "high" is fentanyl mixed with benzos. It is a whole other level of high and a whole other level of OD danger but hard core addicts are now seeking it out. I don't understand the mindset but benzodope and tranq are the next big thing on the streets. "Tranq" is Xylazine laced drugs.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 5:18 am to davyjones
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Why the hell would allow the potential loss of return customers?
Addicts will always return...there is no loss.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 6:51 am to davyjones
Fentanyl is a lot cheaper. And it’s in all drugs now. Fentanyl is not more addictive in fact most with substance abuse disorders don’t like it because even though the high is faster it wears off a lot faster
Posted on 3/19/23 at 7:35 am to davyjones
They started out cutting it with shitty Mexican grown heroin. The Mexican grown poppy wasn’t strong enough so they boosted it with Fentanyl. Once the found out you could get super addicts game on.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 7:37 am to davyjones
Know a guy that died last week with a needle in his arm. Tough motorcycle rider, ex marine, he had done time and recently gotten clean.
He had leg surgery recently and started seeing a nurse that worked on him during the surgery. I don’t know if the surgery and the new girlfriend got him feeling invincible, but she came home from her night shift at 5 am and he was on her floor with a needle in his arm. Messy business.
The body has its limits. RIP.
He had leg surgery recently and started seeing a nurse that worked on him during the surgery. I don’t know if the surgery and the new girlfriend got him feeling invincible, but she came home from her night shift at 5 am and he was on her floor with a needle in his arm. Messy business.
The body has its limits. RIP.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 8:39 am to davyjones
quote:They aren’t. It’s almost always cross contamination. No drug dealer wants his coke clients getting fentanyl in their blow.
are cutting your various choices of speed narcotics with fent?
Now mixing it with opiates/heroin is a different story.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 8:44 am to davyjones
Harder addicts need a stronger product. They cut sometimes enough to kill because addicted people actively search that out. It’s not negative it’s a selling point.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 8:52 am to davyjones
This is why I just stick with weed. Don’t have to worry about OD’ing.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:03 am to davyjones
$/volume and addictive. It’s easier to smuggle. You really think cartels care about someone’s life? Users are expendable.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:26 am to davyjones
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I’m certain it’s been touched upon, but might I bother any of you to offer any reasonable theories on why dealers are cutting your various choices of speed narcotics with fent? And unbeknownst to the customer, at that. Intentionally so.
As you all know well, the speeds and fentanyl net the consumer completely opposite effects. It’s like someone cutting your lortab (hydrocodone) with meth. It don’t make no sense damn it. Why the hell would allow the potential loss of return customers? I’m no expert, but that doesn’t strike me as a prudent business model.
From what I've read and watched, fentanyl is ridiculously addictive and it's potent in the tiniest of doses. Those deep in their opioid addictions find out someone has died due to a fentanyl OD and they will flock to that dealer to buy. The mindset is "that must be some good shite if it's enough to kill people" (translation: "there must be more fentanyl per gram/ounce/whatever than normal and I want a chance at that bigger, stronger high regardless if it may kill me").
It's a completely irrational thought to those not addicted to opioids, but the minds of addicts look at reality from a different angle. So for the dealer dealing to the heavily addicted, that people are OD'ing from their drugs because there's too much fentanyl is like a giant neon sign to buyers and it says "THIS DEALER HAS GOOD shite!!"
Posted on 3/19/23 at 10:37 am to davyjones
It's because fentanyl is cheap, easy to obtain for the cartels and probably most important, it's very potent.
Heroin is usually cut using mannitol. That stretches the product, but also weakens it. If you use a little fentanyl, all the sudden you have the same potency heroin, but now you've turned an ounce into 2 and the potency is the same bc of the fentanyl.
If someone had garbage product, word spreads fast and no one will go buy it. However, when an addict hears someone OD'd off some fire dope, our first thought is "where the hell did they get that dope? I want that!" We pay no mind to the person OD'ing bc we think we'll be different than them. The only thing we associate their death with, while in that state of mind, is fire arse dope. It's sickening.
Heroin is usually cut using mannitol. That stretches the product, but also weakens it. If you use a little fentanyl, all the sudden you have the same potency heroin, but now you've turned an ounce into 2 and the potency is the same bc of the fentanyl.
quote:To understand this, you have to put your mind in the same state as an addict.
Why the hell would allow the potential loss of return customers? I’m no expert, but that doesn’t strike me as a prudent business model
If someone had garbage product, word spreads fast and no one will go buy it. However, when an addict hears someone OD'd off some fire dope, our first thought is "where the hell did they get that dope? I want that!" We pay no mind to the person OD'ing bc we think we'll be different than them. The only thing we associate their death with, while in that state of mind, is fire arse dope. It's sickening.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:05 am to davyjones
In most cases the products are being unintentionally contaminated except for heroin itself. It makes no sense to cut meth or cocaine with fentanyl. The amount of fentanyl that would be added as a cutting agent would be next to nothing.
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