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re: LSU basketball transfer portal watch
Posted on 4/12/23 at 9:39 am to Stately
Posted on 4/12/23 at 9:39 am to Stately
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Our current year to year transfer strategy is just unsustainable for us. Like the majority of our other sports LSU is not a competitive national recruiter in Men's Basketball. Instead, the focus should be on Louisiana kids often looked over by us and count on them playing 4 or 5 years for us. Also taking advantage of preferred walk on spots like baseball to give kids like Isaiah Howard a spot to maybe develop into a special player instead of kids like Benhayoune or Montgomery.
First, this isn't football or baseball. If you are going to be competitive in basketball you have to recruit nationally. Second, how can schools like Iowa St, Kansas St., Missouri achieve quick turnarounds through the transfer portal, but LSU somehow can't? LSU has just as much, if not more resources than those schools.
Long gone are the days where you can sign a HS player and "count on him being here 4-5 years". The majority of guys aren't staying that long. Hell, just look at the portal this year. Nearly 25% of players entered the portal. That's not just fringe bench warmers looking for PT elsewhere. It's multi-year starters at powerhouse programs entering the portal.
As for "preferred walk-ons", that doesn't happen in basketball. There are 363 D-1 programs. Guys will take a scholarship at a mid-major program to play early rather than pay their own tuition to sit at the end of the bench as a walk-on at LSU. If that player performs well at the mid-major level, he will seek to transfer "up".
The bottom line is that in today's college basketball a coach is going to have to replace anywhere from 4-7+ players a year each season, in part, through transfers. That's just the way it is. So you better have a coaching staff who can both recruit HS talent and transfer players every single year. Otherwise, prepare to watch losing basketball year after year.
The transfer rules have made it easier to rebuild a team than ever before. The downside is that patience in "rebuilding" has never been lower.
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 10:05 am to rds dc
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Baker is eligible now b/c he redshirted after his first transfer, so it didn't count against his 1-time transfer.
He indicated in his "farewell tweet" to Nevada he is graduating this spring. As a grad transfer he will be immediately eligible. I didn't see that before my prior post. So no concerns with him.
Is Cook graduating in the spring or summer? Otherwise, this is #2 for him. Even though he would be returning to his prior school I don't think that exempts him from the 1 year penalty unless he gets a waiver.
Posted on 4/12/23 at 10:20 am to Alt26
Doesn't look like Cook will be graduating, however, there doesn't seem to be much concern about his ability to get a waiver
This post was edited on 4/12/23 at 10:21 am
Posted on 4/12/23 at 10:39 am to Alt26
Knowing the Ncaa we will be able to find out if Cook is eligible by December.... 2026
Posted on 4/12/23 at 11:04 am to Stately
quote:I don't think we have had enough time to develop a "strategy". Last year was more of a scramble to field a team. This year we are at least starting with a base and recruiting to shore up a few weaknesses, building a more complete team.
Our current year to year transfer strategy is just unsustainable for us. Like the majority of our other sports LSU is not a competitive national recruiter in Men's Basketball. Instead, the focus should be on Louisiana kids often looked over by us and count on them playing 4 or 5 years for us. Also taking advantage of preferred walk on spots like baseball to give kids like Isaiah Howard a spot to maybe develop into a special player instead of kids like Benhayoune or Montgomery.
I do agree that we should be looking at welcoming back local players who do well at other schools. When things settle down that should be one or two guys a year. It does seem like Louisiana always has a bunch of late developing players that emerge in college.
Posted on 4/12/23 at 11:24 am to Alt26
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how can schools like Iowa St, Kansas St., Missouri achieve quick turnarounds through the transfer portal, but LSU somehow can't? LSU has just as much, if not more resources than those schools.
Since you are referring to schools which had recent success as opposed to LSU you have to factor in the effects of possible draconian NCAA sanctions hanging over the program. Missouri benefitted from having a group of talented veteran players follow their new coach there. You need a bigger sample size than one distorted season. McMahon is showing signs of becoming competitive in the transfer market place.
Posted on 4/12/23 at 11:57 am to tigersbb
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Since you are referring to schools which had recent success as opposed to LSU you have to factor in the effects of possible draconian NCAA sanctions hanging over the program. Missouri benefitted from having a group of talented veteran players follow their new coach there. You need a bigger sample size than one distorted season. McMahon is showing signs of becoming competitive in the transfer market place.
Somehow people think this doesn't effect recruiting, but I can assure you it does. Other coaches use it as a tool against us as well. We didn't have people lining up at the door last year to transfer in, and I'm sure we threw a bunch of bags to the ones we had stick around as well as the ones that decided to take the risk and come here. I would argue some like Miller were made promises that definately shot us in the foot.
Posted on 4/12/23 at 12:01 pm to Aforem7
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Haven't seen anything about Baker to suggest we are out of it for him
He visited and didn't commit and now he's looking at other Power 5 programs that are in a lot better shape than ours is.
I'm not sure why we ought to have much confidence that we get him. It's not like we're on some roll in recruiting. We've gotten two Baton Rouge kids who want to come home so far. Will Baker has zero ties to Louisiana.
Posted on 4/12/23 at 1:08 pm to Stately
Former Tiger Brandon Murray going to Ole Miss from Georgetown
Posted on 4/12/23 at 1:56 pm to tigersbb
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Since you are referring to schools which had recent success as opposed to LSU you have to factor in the effects of possible draconian NCAA sanctions hanging over the program.
If only the players were a terrified of the "draconian sanctions" as the fans, LSU wouldn't be able to get anyone to play basketball for them. Coaches may try to use it as negative recruiting, but the players don't give a shite about the "scary" sanctions that some in the fanbase are certain will be coming down any day now...despite the fact NONE of the schools who have had their cases adjudicated in the IARP process received significant sanctions. If anyone is going to be hit with significant sanctions, it's Wade. Not LSU. But by all means, feel free to continue to hang on to that pathetic excuse to somehow justify the horrible job McMahon did last season.
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Missouri benefitted from having a group of talented veteran players follow their new coach there.
Did McMahon not have a group of veteran players follow him to LSU? One being the conference POY who was a (second team) All-Conference SEC player this year.
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McMahon is showing signs of becoming competitive in the transfer market place.
He showed signs last year too. Go back to threads from May of 2022. Almost everyone was complementary of McMahon's efforts to build the roster. That's why despite having a HC who had never coached a power conf. game and a team with 9 new players the national projections for LSU were to finish in the middle of the SEC pack and compete for a postseason spot (likely the NIT). It's what he did with that roster this season that was the problem.
He wasn't fired. He's going to have an opportunity with several new players (at least 7 at this point) to see if he can win. If next year is the same or only slightly improved it will be time to move on. Otherwise, LSU will just be delaying the inevitable.
Posted on 4/12/23 at 2:46 pm to Alt26
Players are not terrified by the sanctions, but I'm sure many players want to play for winning teams that will play in post season tournaments. Some are willing to play for LSU regardless of that, but that doesn't mean that those sanctions aren't factored in to players' decisions.
I agree that CMM underperformed last year, but the point guard play was terrible, and that will kill teams. Several players showed improvement throughout the year, but Hill regressed, losing Mwani, the slow development of the freshmen, and the underperforming of Miller hurt a lot. Maybe the coach is at fault for these things, but some of those were crap shoots that we didn't win. We now have 6 players that we know can play at least average ball, so they're not crap shoots, and so if some of the new pieces can play better than what we lost, then we should do much better.
I agree that CMM underperformed last year, but the point guard play was terrible, and that will kill teams. Several players showed improvement throughout the year, but Hill regressed, losing Mwani, the slow development of the freshmen, and the underperforming of Miller hurt a lot. Maybe the coach is at fault for these things, but some of those were crap shoots that we didn't win. We now have 6 players that we know can play at least average ball, so they're not crap shoots, and so if some of the new pieces can play better than what we lost, then we should do much better.
Posted on 4/12/23 at 2:49 pm to Lapaz
I think it’s plenty fair to say that some players, namely Miller, were counted on last year and gave us nothing to speak of. Regardless it’s on McMahon to make it work. He didn’t do it.
He has another year to show some life in the program. If not, I think he’s done
He has another year to show some life in the program. If not, I think he’s done
Posted on 4/12/23 at 3:52 pm to JWill409
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We didn't have people lining up at the door last year to transfer in, and I'm sure we threw a bunch of bags to the ones we had stick around as well as the ones that decided to take the risk and come here.
When did the allegations by Forde and Vitale start?
How many top recruits did Wade sign after it became public?
Three or four of those players are presently on NBA teams.
Now we have NIL, and he continues to struggle to field a talented team, or he just can't Coach.
Next season, if the guys like Miller and others who transferred, have good seasons, I wonder what the excuse will be.
Posted on 4/12/23 at 3:58 pm to Gus007
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Next season, if the guys like Miller and others who transferred, have good seasons, I wonder what the excuse will be.
I don’t think too many people are making excuses. It was a disappointing year and there isn’t much reason for hope of significant improvement next year.
Even those of us who were willing to give McMahon a chance can admit that.
I think next year will be his last at this point. I just don’t see where things are looking any better
Posted on 4/12/23 at 4:01 pm to Toptigerfan86
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I just don’t see where things are looking any better
They're not. Do you know when is the last day we can get some players from the portal? I say lets see who is left on the last day and take about 3 that nobody else wants.
Posted on 4/12/23 at 4:02 pm to Gus007
If CMM underperforms again next year, there won't be any excuses, but this year would've been tough for anyone. We did play well against Kansas State, Arkansas and Kentucky, and then the wheels fell off. The only difference was losing Mwani. It's hard to imagine that Mwani could've been that big, but I think it was more a matter of the team losing its confidence. They didn't know how to win. They had many good halves, but didn't put full games together. That is a reflection on the coach, but I think it was a matter of a lack of confidence and it became an avalanche. CMM has a another chance next year, and he is bringing in some players with confidence, and kept some of the players that played decent through this year's turmoil, so we'll see. If he has another comparable season, then I think he'll have a lot fewer defenders.
Posted on 4/12/23 at 4:17 pm to Lapaz
I think people severely underrate just how much Mwani impacted winning in his 3 years here
Posted on 4/12/23 at 4:28 pm to rds dc
Florida and Arkansas are crushing the portal.
Posted on 4/12/23 at 4:32 pm to rds dc
Are they really ? That’s great news
Posted on 4/12/23 at 4:32 pm to AlecRock23
Maybe so but he wasn’t gonna make much of a difference on last season’s team. He’s been a good role player on good teams.
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