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Florida murder suspect’s unborn child seeks release from jail

Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:56 am
Posted by John88
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:56 am
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A bizarre legal question could soon be decided in Miami-Dade after a petition was filed to have an inmate’s unborn baby released from detention.

A pregnant mother accused of murder wants to be released from jail, claiming her unborn child’s rights are being violated.

“Ms. Harrel has been accused. There’s no question about the accusation. She’s been denied bond. There’s no question about that,” said attorney William Norris.

But the question being raised is whether Natalia Harrell’s unborn child should remain in jail with its mother.

It’s an unusual and unprecedented stance, but Norris, who represents the unborn child, says its a fair one.

“An unborn child is a person. A person has constitutional rights and one of them is the right not to be deprived of liberty without due process of law,” Norris said.

Norris filed a petition, claiming the child should be released, that the mother hasn’t received adequate medical care and that she hasn’t been seen by an OB-GYN since October.

The petition states the unborn child seeks immediate release from custody to receive necessary immediate medical care “and to be free from unlawful and illegal detention.”

“I am asserting the right of someone who is a person who has not been considered in the decision to incarcerate his mother,” Norris said.

Harrell, now eight months pregnant, was six weeks along when she was arrested in July. She’s accused of shooting and killing Gladys Borcella during an argument in an Uber and was charged with second-degree murder. Her attorney is hoping to get her released on bond for six months.

Video from inside the van shows the two women, who knew each other, arguing. Harrell’s defense attorney Andre Rouviere says his client was standing her ground. She pleaded not guilty.

“She was pregnant. She knew she was pregnant. She was in fear that this woman was going to do something to her. She lunged herself towards my client and my client reacted,” Rouviere said.

The state fired back, responding that the petition filed on behalf of the unborn child, should be dismissed. It also says states that claims of Harrell not receiving proper medical attention would have to be proven in court.

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Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:57 am to
won't somebody think of the children!
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:58 am to
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It’s an unusual and unprecedented stance


it’s a stupid stance. Case closed.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 7:59 am
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
23787 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:59 am to
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“An unborn child is a person. A person has constitutional rights and one of them is the right not to be deprived of liberty without due process of law,” Norris said.

The pro-abortion feminists will not like this argument one bit.
Posted by Tvilletiger
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Member since Oct 2015
5899 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:00 am to
It does raise some questions as to the legal rights of an unborn. I am surprised there is not a statute. I would be fine with some sort of transfer to a medical facility for sure.
I would not take supervised home confinement off the table.
Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:02 am to
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Florida murder suspect’s unborn child seeks release from jail
quote:

A pregnant mother accused of murder wants to be released from jail, claiming her unborn child’s rights are being violated.


Well that title is not misleading.
Posted by tigafan4life
Member since Dec 2006
50664 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:05 am to
Oh now it’s a child? Thought it was just a ball of cells.
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
155599 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:05 am to
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Norris, who represents the unborn child

I love how the baby has its own attorney.
Posted by sidewalkside
rent free in yo head
Member since Sep 2021
4358 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:07 am to
Offer to induce the baby and be placed in the care of the state while momma stays in jail. Case closed.
Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Member since Feb 2006
59098 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:09 am to
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I love how the baby has its own attorney.


The baby is important enough to get an attorney to be released from prison but is not a person when it comes to abortion.


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“An unborn child is a person. A person has constitutional rights and one of them is the right not to be deprived of liberty without due process of law,” Norris said.


They’ll argue this and also argue it doesn’t have rights because it’s not a person.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 8:21 am
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21705 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:10 am to
It's an interesting legal question. If the fetus is a person they could have their own attorney, rights, due process, etc.

Of course the reality is they won't be leaving their quarters until birth, but it's a fun thought exercise .
Posted by AUFANATL
Member since Dec 2007
5105 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:12 am to
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An unborn child is a person. A person has constitutional rights and one of them is the right not to be deprived of liberty without due process of law


This is stupid and frivolous.

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the mother hasn’t received adequate medical care and that she hasn’t been seen by an OB-GYN since October


This is a legitimate complaint.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103171 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:14 am to
I thought an unborn child had no rights per the “keep your laws off my body!” side.

When the child is born, then they can exit jail.
Posted by T
Member since Jan 2004
9889 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:18 am to
This will cause the ACLU free people who were incarcerated unjustly, pro-choice types heads to explode.
Posted by AwesomeSauce
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:19 am to
A halfway house of sorts for incarcerated pregnant women wouldn't be an entirely bad idea. Remove them from gen pop which could pose a risk to both them and the baby. Provide prenatal and OBGYN care. Depending on the situation offer classes and counseling to either prepare the mom for motherhood beyond her release, or adoption to give the baby a chance if that is what is best.
Posted by RTRinTampa
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Member since Jan 2013
5532 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:23 am to
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A halfway house of sorts for incarcerated pregnant women wouldn't be an entirely bad idea. Remove them from gen pop which could pose a risk to both them and the baby. Provide prenatal and OBGYN care. Depending on the situation offer classes and counseling to either prepare the mom for motherhood beyond her release, or adoption to give the baby a chance if that is what is best.


How big of a check are you willing to write to support this idea?
Posted by blafayette
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2014
723 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:24 am to
50 bucks says this goes all the way to the Supreme Court. If the unborn child has constitutional rights, abortion becomes illegal c
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
43186 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:34 am to
This seems silly on it's face but one statement caught my eye.

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Norris filed a petition, claiming the child should be released, that the mother hasn’t received adequate medical care and that she hasn’t been seen by an OB-GYN since October.


If that is indeed true, that seems like she is not getting adequate medical care IMO based on how often my wife saw the OB when she was expecting.
Posted by SoonerK
Member since Nov 2021
1014 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:38 am to
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50 bucks says this goes all the way to the Supreme Court. If the unborn child has constitutional rights, abortion becomes illegal c

The Supreme Court already declined to hear a fetal personhood case in 2022.
Posted by Walkerdog14
Member since Dec 2014
1302 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:40 am to
She should’ve thought about this when murdering someone while she was pregnant.
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