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re: Accountants fees skyrocketing
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:06 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:06 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:youre talking about raising your revenue by 50% on personal returns and youre saying a LOT of that will be spent on expenses?
But sadly a lot of the increase is getting eaten up in health insurnace, overhead, software costs, malpractice, etc... just like every other business out there.
You are exaggerating your costs and underrepresenting your profit margin.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:20 pm to AuburnTigers
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You are exaggerating your costs and underrepresenting your profit margin.
We are all making more. Not trying to hide that.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:39 pm to FinleyStreet
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PA is basically white collar slave labor.
Recent accounting graduates are a bunch of babies.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:47 pm to BeYou
quote:well, they are gen Z
Recent accounting graduates are a bunch of babies.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:56 pm to LChama
I know my taxes are fairly complex but I pay about 15k a year to the company that prepares my taxes
This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 2/7/23 at 6:32 am to BigApple
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I know my taxes are fairly complex but I pay about 15k a year to the company that prepares my taxes
Hopefully your return is very complex and worthwhile. Otherwise, it is time for a simpler tax system, or the accountants are going to continue to have us by the balls like the military industrial complex every year.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:22 am to LChama
When my wife and I got married and had our first baby, she lost her job and I wasn't making that much so we qualified for EITC. I asked our CPA about it and she legit said "What is that?" From then on, I did my own taxes.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:33 am to cheobode
quote:Sad, but this type of thing is common. Experts are many times not experts. Know enough to ask good questions and do your own thinking. I did our family's taxes for over 20 years until my wife started a business and then their accountant started handling all of it. When I see the bill I just shake my head.
When my wife and I got married and had our first baby, she lost her job and I wasn't making that much so we qualified for EITC. I asked our CPA about it and she legit said "What is that?" From then on, I did my own taxes.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:17 am to RoyalWe
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Sad, but this type of thing is common. Experts are many times not experts. Know enough to ask good questions and do your own thinking. I did our family's taxes for over 20 years until my wife started a business and then their accountant started handling all of it. When I see the bill I just shake my head.
I mean to be fair we have about 5 client on EITC every year and they are usually adult kids of bigger clients.
I'm sure the local Block office handles 50 EITCs a day this time of year.
Trying having an informed conversation with them about entity basis though......
Posted on 2/7/23 at 4:07 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Firms are feeling tremendous labor pressure because of a shortage of warm bodies, and honestly, as tax law gets more complex, we need more than warm bodies.
Income tax is theft, and when i was learning tax we did everything by hand. So anyone that went through that probably said frick working in tax.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 8:19 pm to cheobode
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EITC. I asked our CPA about it and she legit said "What is that?" From then on, I did my own taxes.
In their defense, there are plenty of CPA’s who never see the EITC because they don’t have any clients who qualify for it. But that isn’t the same at not knowing what it is at all (much less admitting that to you ). You were dealing with an idiot and you made the right decision.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 8:59 pm to RoyalWe
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Sad, but this type of thing is common. Experts are many times not experts.
Experts in tax are not going to be able to tell you much about EITC and it doesn’t make them any less of an expert.
There are completely different worlds of tax. Almost no one can jump from one to the other without missing a beat.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:17 pm to Nappy
quote:This for sure
Things are more complex. There are less and less CPAs and accountants who want to deal with taxes, along with increase in tax software and wages for staff means prices are going up.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 6:03 am to Ford Frenzy
I don’t know the business that well, but there’s no reason why CPA’s should be handling the vast majority of tax work. It’s mostly book keepers and assistants that don’t have a college degree or at least aren’t CPA’s. The Cpa is just there for oversight, complications, and review. If a company is burning their CPA’s out on data entry tax work, then imo that’s poor management of resources. Hire someone from HR block for double the pay and save your Accountants for the heavy lifting.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 9:15 am to baldona
Let me know if you have any candidates that fit that profile, they are harder and harder to find. Then, if you find one, they want to be paid $50K base now (at least), plus OT and benefits.
At the end of the day, you are paying $15 - $20 per hour for a kid to flip burgers at McDonald's.
Costs have gone up on everything. CPAs like attorneys, etc. have to raise rates. Rates have increased faster than usual due to inflation, people retiring and overall lack of candidates.
At the end of the day, you are paying $15 - $20 per hour for a kid to flip burgers at McDonald's.
Costs have gone up on everything. CPAs like attorneys, etc. have to raise rates. Rates have increased faster than usual due to inflation, people retiring and overall lack of candidates.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:08 am to baldona
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I don’t know the business that well, but there’s no reason why CPA’s should be handling the vast majority of tax work. It’s mostly book keepers and assistants that don’t have a college degree or at least aren’t CPA’s. The Cpa is just there for oversight, complications, and review. If a company is burning their CPA’s out on data entry tax work, then imo that’s poor management of resources. Hire someone from HR block for double the pay and save your Accountants for the heavy lifting.
Again, there are different worlds of tax.
The common person just thinks of tax as their 1040 and thinks how complicated can that be? And you’re right. It’s not complicated at all. There’s software that reads your 1099s, mortgage interest statements, etc and inputs it into the tax software for us. Then you have a low level employee input the rest that it can’t read.
A 1040 is the very tip of the iceberg in the world of tax.
This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 10:10 am
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:37 am to LChama
for my wife's S-Corp with 9 employees and about 1 mil revenue, the CPA firm charged us (i think) $700 last year.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:45 am to Jmcc64
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for my wife's S-Corp with 9 employees and about 1 mil revenue, the CPA firm charged us (i think) $700 last year.
I’m imagining you’ll see entity prices go up exponentially in the industry.
TurboTax launched this this year and others in the industry are adjusting prices accordingly. A CPA firm should never be less or equal to TurboTax full service.
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:47 pm to AuburnTigers
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YOur firm still has low level accountants prepping those returns.
Ever have a baby? The nurse does everything for hours and the Dr comes in and catches the baby at the end.
Ever been to the dentist? The oral hygienist cleans your teeth and the dentist comes in and looks in your mouth for 30 seconds.
All professionals leverage staff and then review/oversee their work.
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