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Opting out is not the problem...it's the symptom...

Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:09 am
Posted by sidewalkside
rent free in yo head
Member since Sep 2021
4306 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:09 am
The real problem is there are too many bowl games that don't mean anything. It's the same issue with the NFL all-star game...nobody has really "played" that game and risked an injury in decades. If you blame the players you're clueless.
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12628 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:11 am to
We've gone full circle back to the bowls just being exhibition games.
Posted by sidewalkside
rent free in yo head
Member since Sep 2021
4306 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:12 am to
And you've got players who are trying to make an impression to POSSIBLY make it to the NFL...they are willing to destroy a sure fire NFL draft player if it means they get a chance at a pay day...of course players don't want to risk it.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170584 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:20 am to
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And you've got players who are trying to make an impression to POSSIBLY make it to the NFL...they are willing to destroy a sure fire NFL draft player if it means they get a chance at a pay day...of course players don't want to risk it.

So you're suggesting that on the bubble players are trying to make it to the NFL by intentionally injuring players who are sure fire draft picks?

That's just stupid
Posted by sicboy
Because Awesome
Member since Nov 2010
79265 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:20 am to
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he real problem is there are too many bowl games that don't mean anything.






So essentially you're saying the amount of meaningless bowl games is causing players to sit out of games that wouldn't exist if there were less meaningless bowl games.
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 8:23 am
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
56623 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:23 am to
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The real problem is there are too many bowl games that don't mean anything.


They only don’t mean anything because of the playoff and it’s only going to get worse.

The reduction of importance on the regular season and bowl games was an obvious affect as soon as the CFP was introduced.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46031 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:24 am to
College football is turning into pro football and it’s being done on purpose. It’s being done to maximize revenue.

We went from bowls to playoffs, and they are expanding.
We are going from conferences and traditional rivalries to super conferences that’ll eventually self govern.
We have free agency.
We have contracts that only benefit the player.
We have opt outs.

College football as we know it will never be the same.
Posted by Clark W Griswold
THE USA
Member since Sep 2012
10850 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:28 am to
The playoffs killed bowl games. I don’t watch any of them and I know I’m not alone. It’s an LSU game next week but it’s a little more exciting than the spring game in my opinion. It’ll only get worse with playoff expansion.
Posted by Tigerfan1274
Member since May 2019
4443 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:33 am to
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The playoffs killed bowl games.


This and I don’t think going from 18 to 43 bowls helped either. Hard for a bowl to feel “special” when there are 6-6 and even a 5-7 team playing in one. And look at the attendance at these games. Stadiums less than half full.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
17007 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:34 am to
It's risk vs reward. For players who are going to the NFL, they could raise their draft stock much more by training and having a good combine vs having a good bowl game. There is basically no benefit to them playing in some of these games. Other players, who are young and need experience, there is still a benefit.
Posted by Colonel Angus
Member since Aug 2007
2134 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:35 am to
Bowl games will be done within five years. Once the ratings and attendance keep dropping, ad revenue will dry up. Money controls it all and when that leaves the room, so do the games. the playoff will be the only thing left standing
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
15952 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:36 am to
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It’s an LSU game next week but it’s a little more exciting than the spring game in my opinion. It’ll only get worse with playoff expansion.


Please tell me how the Citrus bowl was more exciting in 2000? Outside of treams playing for a title these bowl games have never meant anything and it just until now for players heading to the draft to realize it.
Posted by KingofthePoint
Member since Feb 2009
10823 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:37 am to
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The real problem is there are too many bowl games that don't mean anything. It's the same issue with the NFL all-star game...nobody has really "played" that game and risked an injury in decades. If you blame the players you're clueless.

What’s your solution? A larger playoff? Why don’t we just have a 128 team playoff and eliminate the regular season all together?
Posted by sidewalkside
rent free in yo head
Member since Sep 2021
4306 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:41 am to
As a typical ranter you don't understand nuance. Im saying bubble players are going all-out and playing as hard as they can...and if they happen to injure another player on a "clean" play they have no problem doing it. Why risk an injury in a meaningless game?
Posted by Colonel Angus
Member since Aug 2007
2134 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:41 am to
I think eventually you will see it expand to 32 teams. 10 game regular season schedule.
Posted by Simplemaaan
Member since Sep 2007
4065 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:42 am to
I think we will eventually see guys opting out of playoffs. That’s Three extra games for some.
Posted by glorymanutdtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2012
4561 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:43 am to
Bowl games are meaningless. There is only playoffs and the rest no one remembers them.

Posted by agdoctor
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2004
3193 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:53 am to
Opting out started with the talking sports heads pushing for Fournette to sit out his entire junior season. It peaked during bowl season and that’s what started it.
Posted by sidewalkside
rent free in yo head
Member since Sep 2021
4306 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 9:07 am to
Did you read the OP? I didn't ask when it started. I stated it's because of too many meaningless games (Bowls) where there is little to no advantage for certain players to risk injury. And people need to quit blaming players for making these types of decisions that are best for their own future.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
34064 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 9:07 am to
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Please tell me how the Citrus bowl was more exciting in 2000? Outside of treams playing for a title these bowl games have never meant anything and it just until now for players heading to the draft to realize it.



Absolutely true. However, the (relative) "scarcity" of bowl games 30-40 years coupled with the traditional sentiment that reaching one was a significant accomplishment kept them meaningful for the players and fans. That sentiment has essentially disappeared for a number of reasons since that time.

1. The addition of more and more bowl eliminated the scarcity. When 6-6 (and sometimes 5-7) teams are reaching bowl games it completely eliminates the sense of accomplishment. With no feeling of accomplishment and no greater reward other than a trophy and t shirt for winning, why waste additional time and energy to prepare and play in a largely meaningless game. Particularly when most player are physically and emotionally spent after a grueling season?

2. "Fear" over covid normalized "opting out". Before 2020 it was very rare to see a player opt out. And the only ones who considered were sure fire first round draft picks who didn't want to risk injury. Like everything associated with the ridiculous pandemic response, doing something "out of an abundance of caution"...even though the risk was exceedingly low became accepted by society. So the negative stigma of "opting out" was significant diminished. What was once unthinkable became acceptable.

3. The early signing day combined with the new freedom of transfer rules made bowl games an avoidable nuisance for players looking towards next season. The early signing day forced coaches to make decisions on filling their rosters for next year BEFORE the bowl game was played. And with those roster spots potentially filling up in December, those looking to transfer wanted to get a jump on searching for their next school ASAP to avoid the risk a preferred spot might not be available for them.

In every other sport you end the regular season and jump right into the postseason...except for college football where even with the "big" postseason games you take a month (or more) off before playing again. With the postseason being so attenuated from the regular season, I COMPLETELY understand the mindset of a player saying "I'm hurt. I've been playing through injury. I'm tired of practicing every day and want a rest before starting the work for next season. I don't feel like spending another month practicing for a game where there is no real reward for winning."
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