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re: MO school district switches to 4 day week schedule due to teacher and funding shortage
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:01 pm to StringedInstruments
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:01 pm to StringedInstruments
More days off for a job that already has 180 days off a year. Teachers are so fricking coddled...especially when you see what a joke our education system is. Downvote away.
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Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Kids in Finland spend about 20 hours a week in school with far better results, and less money.
Before Covid our local HS usually hosted at least one, and sometimes two or three, exchange students every year. The ones from developed countries, and sometimes the ones from less developed countries, would invariably have already covered everything in the equivalent grade level. The teachers would have to come up with stuff for them to do. It was embarrassing.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Kids in Finland spend about 20 hours a week in school with far better results, and less money.
Fins also have smaller families (so a better parent to kid ratio), has a nationwide literacy rate of 99% (so parents who can read), has a population almost exclusively located in urban areas with better access to services, and their poverty rate is significantly lower than not just the US but most countries.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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We also need to cut school budgets, and kill off administration.
In order to do this you have to fix the issues related to testing, passing rates and school funding as well as the getting rid of behavior issue kids Scruffy mentioned. Right now those fluff admin positions that are worthless are needed because of all the stupid hoops they have to jump through with funding due to NCLB. They have to do piles of worthless data due to that.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:17 pm to CoachChappy
I’ve never complained about my pay as a teacher because of all the time I am not working. However, at some point you start getting burned out and realize that you could go into another career where you make so much more money. 40-50k a year is just not enough for someone who wants to raise a family and actually enjoy life. Not unless their spouse makes really great money. This is a major reason teachers are leaving in droves. The money is fine out of college but not so much 5-10 years later when they are starting a family and really thinking about more than just themselves.
Also, the 4 day work week WOULD attract more people but not sure how many more. I have to cross the bridge every day for work and when they start the construction next year I don’t know if I will be able to do it anymore. A 4 day work week would be about the only way to convince me to stay and fight traffic everyday.
Also, the 4 day work week WOULD attract more people but not sure how many more. I have to cross the bridge every day for work and when they start the construction next year I don’t know if I will be able to do it anymore. A 4 day work week would be about the only way to convince me to stay and fight traffic everyday.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:31 pm to StringedInstruments
One or 2 rural schools here have started it this fall.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:00 pm to ConfusedHawgInMO
As a teacher I can say a four day work week is not the answer. If you try and make the the day off a kind of independent study, it will fail badly. As has been said several times already, nobody goes into this profession believing they will get rich. However, a pay bump would help the situation that we're facing when it comes to a shortage of teachers. The main issues I see are the following, fix these and you'll get more people entering the profession.
1. Allow teachers to teach. Too many schools go with canned curriculums and are always trying to switch to the next best idea. As soon as teachers master the new methods, the school makes them change again. Leads to a lot of burn out and frustration and it rarely works.
2. Hold students and parents accountable. Our school has failed badly at this over the past decade, and we're still a good school. Our admin is terrified of parents and basically caves to their ever whim. By doing that, the kids have been running the show. It leads to defensive teachers and people scared that if they screw up, they'll be plastered all over social media. I have suggested many times sitting kids out of sports for a game or two, but we're told oh no we could never do that! If you don't show them you're serious, you'll never get control back.
1. Allow teachers to teach. Too many schools go with canned curriculums and are always trying to switch to the next best idea. As soon as teachers master the new methods, the school makes them change again. Leads to a lot of burn out and frustration and it rarely works.
2. Hold students and parents accountable. Our school has failed badly at this over the past decade, and we're still a good school. Our admin is terrified of parents and basically caves to their ever whim. By doing that, the kids have been running the show. It leads to defensive teachers and people scared that if they screw up, they'll be plastered all over social media. I have suggested many times sitting kids out of sports for a game or two, but we're told oh no we could never do that! If you don't show them you're serious, you'll never get control back.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:03 pm to StringedInstruments
Do they have teachers that only teach one day a week? How does this help a shortage?
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:04 pm to OleVaught14
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If we want better teachers, at some point this is going to have to change.
Public school systems have a communist pay scale. Good teachers get paid equal to bad teachers.
All in all public school systems are a disaster.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:11 pm to StringedInstruments
quote:is this phenomenon also occurring with the local Catholic Schools? If so, ok. I guess it makes sense. If not, what’s the reason.
MO school district switches to 4 day week schedule
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:14 pm to grsharky
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2. Hold students and parents accountable. Our school has failed badly at this over the past decade, and we're still a good school. Our admin is terrified of parents and basically caves to their ever whim. By doing that, the kids have been running the show. It leads to defensive teachers and people scared that if they screw up, they'll be plastered all over social media. I have suggested many times sitting kids out of sports for a game or two, but we're told oh no we could never do that! If you don't show them you're serious, you'll never get control back.
Lawyers will make sure this never changes.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:18 pm to StringedInstruments
2.5 more years!! More than half of my colleagues are trying to determine if they are going to continue to do this. What they mainly have to weigh is the number of years that they have invested toward retirement. If I was less than 15 years in, I would most definitely be looking at a career change.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:21 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Public school systems have a communist pay scale. Good teachers get paid equal to bad teachers.
Correct. You would have to bust the Unions for this to happen. Unions are about seniority and scheduled raises, not merit.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:23 pm to Jim Rockford
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The teachers would have to come up with stuff for them to do. It was embarrassing.
Yep, our schools are horrid, even worse when you consider the resources we pour into them.
The system is more protected than the children.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:24 pm to BregmansWheelbarrow
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Do they have teachers that only teach one day a week? How does this help a shortage?
The idea is that people will be enticed to work four days vs five and choose teaching as a profession.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:30 pm to StringedInstruments
I taught here in Inner city Baton Rouge for 22 years. I could write a book on what I saw but no one would read it.
I doubled my salary with a career change to construction ,also with no stress.
Defund All Public Education.
I doubled my salary with a career change to construction ,also with no stress.
Defund All Public Education.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:32 pm to Billy Blanks
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This isn't a new thing.
Yeah a couple of schools districts across PHX metro have decided to do this as well. Nothing new
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:48 pm to Wtodd
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eliminate the unions that take a big portion of education dollars
I know OP is about Missouri but does Louisiana even have teacher unions? I know a few teachers and never heard them ever mention a union.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:51 pm to StringedInstruments
So I guess people will have to find daycares/babysitters for school aged children?
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:51 pm to StringedInstruments
So they had a teacher who was only teaching one day, how does going 4 days a week shrink your employees?
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