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re: Utah Republican Senator Mike Lee Introduces Bill to Outlaw All Porn Nationwide
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:03 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:03 am to FooManChoo
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Porn can be pulled up within 5 seconds on a phone that kids have access to,
No question. And that is worth considering some degree of regulation. You have to be 18 to purchase magazines and videos (or at least you used to). So the same logic could apply to accessing it online.
Of course, the concern there is how do you create security restrictions juxtaposed with the lack of trust in the government and corporations? Presumably there would be some degree of need to verify who you are and that you are actually over the age of 18. Thus, there would have to be some capturing of personal information. Does anyone trust that the government or corporations wouldn't use the information that you are accessing pornography to further their own interests (sometimes nefarious)? I don't.
If you go to an adult video store to purchase a movie (presumably) the clerk is supposed to ask for you ID to prove you are of age. The clerk knows you purchased the porno...but that's it. The disclosure is limited to one person. If you are having to give that information online it could potentially be accessible by millions of people. See the "Ashley Madison leak." Perhaps that in and of itself creates enough of a deterrent to then prevent people from looking at porn. But if history is any indicator, people are going to find ways to access their vices. Many drugs have long been illegal. Millions still access and use them. Alcohol was once illegal. People found away around that.
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 11:03 am
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Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:04 am to the_truman_shitshow
Before the federal government does a nationwide ban, can we talk about their authority to do so? Banning alcohol needed an amendment, don’t they need to amend the constitution?
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:04 am to the_truman_shitshow
Unconstitutional under the 1st Amendment. Besides, in the digital age, does he really think this would stop it?
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:07 am to El Segundo Guy
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Must. Tell. People. How. To. Live.
Choices are for chumps.
Our house our rules
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:10 am to the808bass
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Mommy and Daddy simply can and will not restrict little Jonny or Jane's iPhone.
But this is also fairly easy to do.
In theory, I agree.
In practice not so much.
Parents these days are overwhelmed and distracted themselves by so many other things.
And then -- as we all know -- Jonny's friends all have their iPhone; there's the "Peer Pressure" factor to contend with.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:16 am to Pettifogger
You can do whatever you want in your house. That's the whole point.
When you start telling other people how to live in their own house, you remove their authority to make rules in their own house.
And that is statist to the core.
When you start telling other people how to live in their own house, you remove their authority to make rules in their own house.
And that is statist to the core.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:19 am to FooManChoo
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FooManChoo
Folks like you and I are simply coming from a different worldview than most on this board. I would say that it is pointless talking about it here, but that directly comes against the great commission. Porn is terrible for the human race, and especially to the marriage covenant. I just pray for my dear brothers and sisters in the Lord who struggle with such sins as these and say even so, come Lord Jesus.
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 11:20 am
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:19 am to Liberator
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Parents these days are overwhelmed and distracted themselves by so many other things.
That’s a priorities issue; not a legislative one.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:20 am to El Segundo Guy
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You can do whatever you want in your house. That's the whole point.
When you start telling other people how to live in their own house, you remove their authority to make rules in their own house.
And that is statist to the core.
How is this working out for us?
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:21 am to Alt26
quote:I don't trust them not to, either, but that's why I avoid certain websites and social media already. I see that as another deterrent to giving your personal information to a porn site. However, that's a risk that people take all the time, so I don't see how such a change would be different for porn sites.
Of course, the concern there is how do you create security restrictions juxtaposed with the lack of trust in the government and corporations? Presumably there would be some degree of need to verify who you are and that you are actually over the age of 18. Thus, there would have to be some capturing of personal information. Does anyone trust that the government or corporations wouldn't use the information that you are accessing pornography to further their own interests (sometimes nefarious)? I don't.
quote:Exactly, and that should be a deterrent. It seems that most people agree that porn is detrimental to society, but disagree on what to do about it. Having deterrents in place should be good for recognizing the danger to society such a thing poses. If you still want to do it, you assume the risk involved in doing so (being found out through a data breach and leak, for instance).
If you go to an adult video store to purchase a movie (presumably) the clerk is supposed to ask for you ID to prove you are of age. The clerk knows you purchased the porno...but that's it. The disclosure is limited to one person. If you are having to give that information online it could potentially be accessible by millions of people. See the "Ashley Madison leak." Perhaps that in and of itself creates enough of a deterrent to then prevent people from looking at porn.
quote:Murder is also illegal and yet people still do it. Making something illegal isn't intended to stop people from doing that thing entirely because human nature is what it is, but it's a deterrent and it provides legal recourse for violations.
But if history is any indicator, people are going to find ways to access their vices. Many drugs have long been illegal. Millions still access and use them. Alcohol was once illegal. People found away around that
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:22 am to prattalumni
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Porn is terrible for the human race, and especially to the marriage covenant. I just pray for my dear brothers and sisters in the Lord who struggle with such sins as these and say even so, come Lord Jesus.
Let's pray away the gay and the porn!
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:23 am to Indefatigable
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Many of those drugs do pose a risk to the safety and health of other people.
So does porn. At least in the way you’re talking about it.
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Distribution and possession with intent to distribute of those drugs such as fentanyl, heroin, etc being illegal is fine with me.
So distribution of porn to minors being illegal would be fine with you.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:25 am to the808bass
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At least in the way you’re talking about it.
I've never heard of someone accidentally OD'ing in the bathroom at a party from porn they thought was something else. But hey, people do some intense shite sometimes
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So distribution of porn to minors being illegal would be fine with you.
Is that not already the case?
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 11:26 am
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:25 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Its horribly destructive.
One of those things man hasn't evolved on, but its not gubments job to police, its the parents.
Hear ya at some level, Rog. I've always been a libertarian-conservative...
But...isn't Gubmint's job (one of them theoretically anyway) protecting children beyond the scope of parental protections?
Don't we ask gubmint to some degree to help regulate societal drugs? Violence? All kinds of moral vices? (remember when the Playboy / Penthouse mag were behind the counter? Lest *we'd* buy them when we were 11 years old? ;-)
There's a time and place for *some* goob regs. This issue / problem (that has seduced kids) is far more out of hand than most folks know or want to believe. Connect the anything-goes porn with the whole LQGt crap agenda -- and the issue becomes all the more nuclear.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:25 am to prattalumni
quote:Amen. I've struggled with my level of involvement in these discussions in the past because it seems like a lost cause, but I recognize that my words aren't just being read by those who have hard hearts and won't listen to the truth, but they are read by others who perhaps need some encouragement. I might not make a difference at all here, but no matter what happens, I pray the Lord is honored and glorified through me and that He forgives where I sin in my words.
Folks like you and I are simply coming from a different worldview than most on this board. I would say that it is pointless talking about it here, but that directly comes against the great commission. Porn is terrible for the human race, and especially to the marriage covenant. I just pray for my dear brothers and sisters in the Lord who struggle with such sins as these and say even so, come Lord Jesus.
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 11:30 am
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:28 am to FooManChoo
Maybe a lost cause - But I think it makes sense to speak honestly about what we believe and our beliefs about how to govern our communities.
And while we're going to be in a minority position - these efforts will bring some discussion of what benefit/damage porn/abortion/whatever poses to our culture/society.
And while we're going to be in a minority position - these efforts will bring some discussion of what benefit/damage porn/abortion/whatever poses to our culture/society.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:29 am to Pettifogger
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How is this working out for us?
Me, personally, I've never been better.
According to the Bible, even God wanted people to have free will. Fast forward 2000 years and the followers of the Bible want an authoritarian, Christian state.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:30 am to Liberator
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But...isn't Gubmint's job (one of them theoretically anyway) protecting children beyond the scope of parental protections?
No, that isn’t government’s job.
It also happens to be the argument made by schools/clinics/SJWs who want to provide hormone blockers to children, against their parents’ will.
It’s a disturbing trend.
I’ve said my peace; differing views abound.
I certainly get that.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:30 am to the_truman_shitshow
Maybe you can work on something more pressing like the horde of illegals about to march across the southern boarder.
For fricks sake
For fricks sake
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:31 am to EKG
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That’s for those couples to work out.
Couples are one thing, but it's insanely easy for kids to access it too.
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