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re: Christians and Christmas
Posted on 11/27/22 at 9:57 am to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 11/27/22 at 9:57 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:Awww, your daddy issues are showing.
Jesus never existed as a human on Earth. He existed in the minds and imaginations of the 1st Temple cult, which was the true religion of Israel and Judah before Cyrus of Persia built the second temple and bastardized their religion. Read 1 Enoch, then the Ascension of Isiah, then Paul’s letters, then Mark Matthew Luke and John in that order. Each successive writing has Jesus taking on more human attributes and more historical claims.
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 10:16 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:Tell us you have no understanding of history without telling us you have no understanding of history.
Jesus never existed as a human on Earth. He existed in the minds and imaginations of the 1st Temple cult, which was the true religion of Israel and Judah before Cyrus of Persia built the second temple and bastardized their religion. Read 1 Enoch, then the Ascension of Isiah, then Paul’s letters, then Mark Matthew Luke and John in that order. Each successive writing has Jesus taking on more human attributes and more historical claims.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 10:31 am to squid_hunt
Several holiday have pagan origins, but they are so engrained into our society that it’s impossible to ignore them at this point. If you try to keep your kids from celebrating Halloween or Christmas, it will only make them resent you. Pick your battles and fight the ones worth fighting, like LGBTQ indoctrination in children’s cartoons.
This post was edited on 11/27/22 at 10:33 am
Posted on 11/27/22 at 10:35 am to squid_hunt
They say Keep Christ in Christmas. For years I've been saying keep Christ out of Christmas.
Commercial Christmas is obscene. It was way back when Charlie Brown said so in the 70s and it's infinitely worse today.
Commercial Christmas is obscene. It was way back when Charlie Brown said so in the 70s and it's infinitely worse today.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 10:35 am to squid_hunt
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I don't really know if that's a really strong argument for going on an attack on Christians celebrating Christmas
But see I never attacked Christians celebrating Christmas. I simply cautioned the possible ramifications of doing it and what we Christians collectively need to be mindful of being an unintended consequence of the whole Christmas thing. We are told to avoid certain things for a reason in the Bible.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 10:37 am to KAGTASTIC
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He was born He was crucified He died for our sins That's all that matters. Not the time of year we celebrate His love for us.
That’s being a bit simplistic and there are pitfalls in having that mindset.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 12:38 pm to Crimson1st
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I simply cautioned the possible ramifications of doing it and what we Christians collectively need to be mindful of being an unintended consequence of the whole Christmas thing.
If the unintended consequence of celebrating the birth of Christ on an arbitrary date is that lost people continue to be lost without regard for Christ, I'm ok with that. I don't think that's a reasonable take. At that point, they are choosing to reject the truth regardless of the reason.
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That’s being a bit simplistic and there are pitfalls in having that mindset.
That is the definition of the gospel.
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1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
This post was edited on 11/27/22 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 11/27/22 at 12:42 pm to Tiger985
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Commercial Christmas is obscene
I don't participate and Christmas is one of my favorite holidays.
Nothing against christmas, its the commercialization that stresses everyone out.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 12:52 pm to squid_hunt
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I've noticed a definite uptick of fake Christians in online videos and organizations and people who are campaigning against Christmas
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 12:54 pm to Paddyshack
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Its giving gifts to adults that needs to stop
Please elaborate.
he doesnt want to give his wife/GF a new mop bucket for christmas, because it didnt work out very well when he did that last year
Posted on 11/27/22 at 12:55 pm to squid_hunt
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people who are campaigning against Christmas
Posted on 11/27/22 at 1:08 pm to Squirrelmeister
Well Jewish and Roman historians of his day disagree.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 1:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't participate and Christmas is one of my favorite holidays.
I'm not opposed to someone who says they choose to opt out if that's their preference. Trying to build a biblical argument against it is shaky at best and very poor use of your time as a Christian and the good will of others.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 1:12 pm to squid_hunt
The whole "Jesus wasn't born on December 25th" argument is just dumb, if for no other reason, I've never heard anyone claim that He was.
My birthday is December 25th. I rarely celebrate my birthday ON my birthday for obvious reasons. I once had a birthday party in May since my family knew I wouldn't be getting one in December. Still got presents. Still got hammered. Still got my birthday BJ from my wife. It was a good day, although inaccurate in terms of the calendar. It didn't matter.
My birthday is December 25th. I rarely celebrate my birthday ON my birthday for obvious reasons. I once had a birthday party in May since my family knew I wouldn't be getting one in December. Still got presents. Still got hammered. Still got my birthday BJ from my wife. It was a good day, although inaccurate in terms of the calendar. It didn't matter.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 1:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Its giving gifts to adults that needs to stop
But what if you're giving those adults a trip to disney?
Posted on 11/27/22 at 4:36 pm to Bulldogblitz
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But what if you're giving those adults a trip to disney?
FML, then all three of you need serious help.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 4:45 pm to Crimson1st
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However the main problem I do have with it all, the “Christian Holiday” celebrations, is that it can give cults such as Jehovah’s Witnesses a bit of a camel
If Jehovah Witnesses are in a cult then Catholics are as well. Catholicism has weird as shite traditions that have nothing to do with the Bible.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 6:07 pm to squid_hunt
Wait, Christians are starting a war on Christmas?
Posted on 11/27/22 at 6:14 pm to ruffleforeskin
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Catholicism has weird as shite traditions that have nothing to do with the Bible.
Oh boy.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 6:54 pm to squid_hunt
No point in arguing about it here. The answer is easily found in scripture. See Romans 14:5-6
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
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