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re: SEC leaning towards 1 division
Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:01 pm to lsutigerelizabeth
Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:01 pm to lsutigerelizabeth
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Three permanent opponents Alabama: Auburn, Tennessee, Mississippi State Arkansas: Ole Miss, Missouri, Texas Auburn: Georgia, Florida, Alabama Florida: Georgia, Auburn, LSU Georgia: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina Kentucky: Vanderbilt, Tennessee, South Carolina LSU: Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Florida Mississippi State: Ole Miss, Alabama, South Carolina Missouri: Arkansas, Vanderbilt, Oklahoma Oklahoma: Texas, Texas A&M, Missouri Ole Miss: Mississippi State, Arkansas, LSU South Carolina: Georgia, Mississippi State, Kentucky Tennessee: Alabama, Kentucky, Vanderbilt Texas: Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas Texas A&M: Texas, Oklahoma, LSU Vanderbilt: Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:16 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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How long before the SEC breaks up to become two eight team conferences.
Good lord. We're essentially two conferences now with a cross over playing pact. It takes twelve years for a full home and home rotation. The new models with 16 teams actually makes us more of a single conference.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:24 pm to lsutigerelizabeth
So you think Auburn, Florida and Texas A&M are going to get 3 of the teams you put in the Top 8, while LSU, Texas, Oklahoma and Tennessee only play 1? I actually agree that for the latter 4 their schedules will look something like what you have, but only because they will treat A&M like a top tier team to facilitate those schedules and drop Tennessee down a level so they only play one top tier. But then Alabama has only one top tier.
As to your argument about Top 6 vs Top 8, do you really think Auburn and, especially, Tennessee have been at the same level as Alabama, LSU, Georgia and Florida over the past 15-20 years? Do you really think the schedule you have laid out for Bama is even close to the same difficulty as what you have for Florida, Georgia, LSU, Texas and Oklahoma? I don’t understand your argument that Alabama couldn’t play LSU along with Auburn and Tennessee, but then you have Florida playing LSU along with Auburn and Georgia. So in your mind playing Tennessee is harder than playing Georgia?
As to your argument about Top 6 vs Top 8, do you really think Auburn and, especially, Tennessee have been at the same level as Alabama, LSU, Georgia and Florida over the past 15-20 years? Do you really think the schedule you have laid out for Bama is even close to the same difficulty as what you have for Florida, Georgia, LSU, Texas and Oklahoma? I don’t understand your argument that Alabama couldn’t play LSU along with Auburn and Tennessee, but then you have Florida playing LSU along with Auburn and Georgia. So in your mind playing Tennessee is harder than playing Georgia?
This post was edited on 11/17/22 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:25 pm to CoachChappy
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Weird
Downright Stanky...
Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:29 pm to Geauxldilocks
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Agree. Play 7 permanents in the division and rotate 2 from the other. Much cleaner than letting rankings determine top 2.
It won’t be based on rankings. If there’s no head-to-head, it will be based on who beat teams with better conference records or lost to teams with better conference records or record vs common opponents.
The 2 crossover games would still mean you play the other division only once every 4 years and visit them once every 8. It’s just not cohesive.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:43 pm to bretwayne13
LSU needs to play Ole Miss Bama and Texas every year
Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:59 pm to Geauxldilocks
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Don’t be so sure, we just had the highest rated ESPN game of the season with Bama. That talks more than anything we discuss here.
And now the SEC will get more OU vs. UGA, OU vs. Bama, LSU vs Texas, LSU vs. UGA, TENN vs. OU, Florida vs OU, etc.
It is not going to be Alabama for LSU. They will get Auburn and TENN.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:07 pm to turnpiketiger
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LSU needs to play Ole Miss Bama and Texas every year
You will get your wish for 1 of those 3, Ole Miss.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:13 pm to JKChesterton
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It is not going to be Alabama for LSU. They will get Auburn and TENN.
I don’t get how you think that is on par with the top two opponents the other top teams are going to have. I understand that there is no pushover in that pair, but there is also no Georgia, LSU, Florida or Oklahoma either. If Bama wants two mid-level permanent opponents, they’ll have to sacrifice getting a bottom dweller. It shouldn’t shield them from playing the top programs.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:15 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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So you think Auburn, Florida and Texas A&M are going to get 3 of the teams you put in the Top 8, while LSU, Texas, Oklahoma and Tennessee only play 1? I actually agree that for the latter 4 their schedules will look something like what you have, but only because they will treat A&M like a top tier team to facilitate those schedules and drop Tennessee down a level so they only play one top tier. But then Alabama has only one top tier.
As to your argument about Top 6 vs Top 8, do you really think Auburn and, especially, Tennessee have been at the same level as Alabama, LSU, Georgia and Florida over the past 15-20 years? Do you really think the schedule you have laid out for Bama is even close to the same difficulty as what you have for Florida, Georgia, LSU, Texas and Oklahoma? I don’t understand your argument that Alabama couldn’t play LSU along with Auburn and Tennessee, but then you have Florida playing LSU along with Auburn and Georgia. So in your mind playing Tennessee is harder than playing Georgia?
This top 8 is subjective. How do you say who is in the top 8. What if you use say for example the AP Top 25 all time. LSU, lets assume it is Ole Miss, Texas A&M has 2 all-time top 25 teams. Bama has Auburn/TENN, 2 all time top 25 teams. Texas A&M has Texas and LSU, 2 top all time top 25 teams. UGA has Florida and Auburn 2 top 25 all time AP Teams.
This Top 8 bottom 8, where did that come from. I have not heard the SEC use that as a metric.
I think the main scheduling principles are to ensure a quicker rotation through the entire league for all teams, and preserve historic rivals and have some geographic proximity for who a teams 3 defined permanent teams are.
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:21 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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I don’t get how you think that is on par with the top two opponents the other top teams are going to have. I understand that there is no pushover in that pair, but there is also no Georgia, LSU, Florida or Oklahoma either. If Bama wants two mid-level permanent opponents, they’ll have to sacrifice getting a bottom dweller. It shouldn’t shield them from playing the top programs.
TENN and Auburn are top 15 teams all time based on AP rankings. They are Bama's top 2 historic rivals. Bama is not going to have TENN/Auburn with LSU.
And they are not being shielded. Auburn has beat Nick Saban 5 times since he has been there since 2007, the only other team to do that is LSU. TENN finally beat them this year.
In any given year they will have Auburn/TENN and lets say State and 6 games with for example LSU/UGA/Aggie/Vandy/UK/Ole Miss in one year and then Texas/Florida/OU/Arkansas/SCAR/Mizzou the next year
How is that not a challenging schedule?
I suspect there are some LSU fans who have that Alabama is our rival perspective when in fact No Alabama fan > 40 sees LSU as a Rival, they see TENN and Auburn as their historic rivals.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:35 pm to bretwayne13
Bama's 3 permanent opponents: Auburn, Mississippi State, and Tennessee.
LSU: Florida, Ole Miss, and Texas A&M.
I will miss the annual Alabama game, but we historically do really well vs. Florida.
LSU: Florida, Ole Miss, and Texas A&M.
I will miss the annual Alabama game, but we historically do really well vs. Florida.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:39 pm to JKChesterton
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It is not going to be Alabama for LSU. They will get Auburn and TENN.
Exactly. It’s that simple
Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:41 pm to G&P
This dude has a hard on for us playing Bama each year. It’s very strange.
Bama will 100% play Tennessee and Auburn each year. The REC will make sure the third opponent isn’t lsu
Likely State
Bama will 100% play Tennessee and Auburn each year. The REC will make sure the third opponent isn’t lsu
Likely State
Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:45 pm to Indiana Tiger
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This is a cream rises to the top model. No more Cinderella's like 2001 LSU.
Except for the 12 team playoff...and, BOOM.
2001 team is in.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 10:39 pm to bretwayne13
Conference championship games have run their course.
Conferences certainly don't need the money, which was the original reason for the games.
Plus, they are sometimes mismatches. They can expose a league's best team to the possibility of an upset defeat.
Look at basketball. The main purpose of the conference basketball tournament, while fun to watch, is to get one more team into the NCAA tournament.
The SEC can give a trophy to the team that finishes with the best league record. Declare co-champions in the event of ties.
The teams that are selected for the new 12-team playoff will represent the SEC.
A 16-team SEC doesn't need a set, year-after-year schedule. It can let its previous season results determine a team's schedule, just like the NFL does.
Conferences certainly don't need the money, which was the original reason for the games.
Plus, they are sometimes mismatches. They can expose a league's best team to the possibility of an upset defeat.
Look at basketball. The main purpose of the conference basketball tournament, while fun to watch, is to get one more team into the NCAA tournament.
The SEC can give a trophy to the team that finishes with the best league record. Declare co-champions in the event of ties.
The teams that are selected for the new 12-team playoff will represent the SEC.
A 16-team SEC doesn't need a set, year-after-year schedule. It can let its previous season results determine a team's schedule, just like the NFL does.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 10:42 pm to bayou85
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Who says single division? Less than 2 is no division.
I thought my math was right
Posted on 11/17/22 at 10:51 pm to lsutigerelizabeth
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The REC will make sure the third opponent isn’t lsu
They don’t get to decide this. It has to be approved by a league wide vote.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:04 pm to bretwayne13
Before I render an opinion on this I would have to see how the schedules are determined. I would be for a completely equal rotation with no permanent opponents. I don't think this will happen because certain factions want to preserve real or imagined rivalries. This would amount to a pod system although they may not call it a pod system.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:07 pm to lsutigerelizabeth
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This dude has a hard on for us playing Bama each year.
I would love to have an easier schedule and not play Alabama every year. I would love to indulge in the fantasy many have expressed that LSU’s permanent opponents will be A&M, Ole Miss and Miss St. You are under the mistaken impression that the league office controls this. They don’t. It has to be approved by the member schools. There’s no way in hell the other schools are going to approve a setup that gives Alabama an easier path to the title (or LSU). I think LSU-Alabama is likely, not because it’s what I desire, but because it’s the most straightforward way to maintain competitive balance in the permanent opponents for the top teams. There are other combinations that could work, but none that leave A&M or Ole Miss as LSU’s toughest permanent opponent and none that allow Bama to avoid playing the other top programs.
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