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re: Grassroots Group Releases Footage of Maricopa County Ballot Mules Stuffing Ballots
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:36 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:36 pm to AggieHank86
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On the other hand, if the transfer form is missing one field, it does not strike me as Earth-shattering.
That's because your sides' ox isn't being gored.
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Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:38 pm to Jjdoc
You should listen to Victor Davis Hanson’s podcast from yesterday, Hurdles republicans Need to Jump to Win Races. It’s extremely insightful.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:39 pm to AggieHank86
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OK, finally an answer ... sort of.
You want a court, with absolutely no legal authority, to discard an entire election because YOU think that the legislature used poor judgment in providing for the return of certain early ballots.
This is why they set up the election rules this way to start with. To make such a collosal clusterfrick out of everything that no court, no law, no elected official will or can ever do anything about it. They found the perfect loophole. As you said, there's no teeth in the state law and they can "January 6th" everything else.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:42 pm to AggieHank86
I think you missed this;
I stated that from the beginning. You were just determined to get on a path of which vote to count. You don't. And that is the point.... because you can't.
They spoiled the whole election.
What makes you think they do not have the authority?
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OK, finally an answer
I stated that from the beginning. You were just determined to get on a path of which vote to count. You don't. And that is the point.... because you can't.
They spoiled the whole election.
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You want a court, with absolutely no legal authority,
What makes you think they do not have the authority?
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:43 pm to Jjdoc
quote:no. It just did not raise any point worthy of further discussion.
I think you missed this;
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:51 pm to AggieHank86
It's because you stated a court has no authority when in fact, you know they do.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:54 pm to AggieHank86
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For instance, if the rules require pickup by two persons of different political parties and return of the box to the registrar within 30 minutes of pickup, there would be a MAJOR problem if the box is retrieved by one person and not returned for three hours.
This is exactly what was happening.
Additionally, the number of ballots collected has to be recorded. In some cases, this wasn’t done.
You can’t say you have secure elections when you’re not following your own procedures.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:57 pm to HailToTheChiz
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And nothing will happen
It saddens me to say this will ultimately prove to be the most accurate comment from this entire thread.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:59 pm to the808bass
quote:If the "irregularities" are as substantive as this, I agree.
Additionally, the number of ballots collected has to be recorded. In some cases, this wasn’t done.
You can’t say you have secure elections when you’re not following your own procedures.
I have long said that unattended drop boxes are a vulnerability.
If a person who is returning early ballots were required to hand-carry them to the clerk, with the clerk confirming identity and relationship to the voters, the system would be far more secure ... though certainly not perfect.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 1:00 pm to Jjdoc
No one that counts will look at the REAL evidence objectively. A lawyer told me "the video doesn't show evidence". The same thing Bill Barr said. I then asked the lawyer "if they have a video of me stabbing you to death, and have the knife, is that evidence?" He walked away.
People, even highly educated people, can really be closed minded and STUPID.
People, even highly educated people, can really be closed minded and STUPID.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 1:03 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
no way republicans support making elections easy on the masses.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 1:05 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Almost like it's intentional, and they all want it to remain fricked up.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:00 pm to AggieHank86
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But was that person either a family member, a member of the household or a caregiver? If not, that person is committing a felony, and those ballots cannot legally be counted. (See Title 16 of the Arizona Revised Statutes).
MAYBE that guy is a worker at a nursing home, and MAYBE he is delivering all of the ballots for all of the residents. MAYBE he has a large family consisting entirely of people who are voting by mail.
They have his license plate. They can investigate these questions and potentially prosecute the "mule." But that does not resolve the problem of determining WHICH ballots from that box on that day are NOT to have been counted.
As I have said 1000 times, it is just not logistically possible for this sort of violation to be used to overturn a PAST election. This sort of data is useful ONLY in identifying structural vulnerabilities in the process ... and removing/resolving them.
Current legislation is prophylactic. It is intended to PREVENT people from acting as illegal "mules," by making their actions felonious. The problem is that there is little deterrent effect, if there is no enforcement.
Agree whole hesrtedly. My only hang up here is this video is simply the start to an investigation and doesn't prove anything. And like you said, how would we even know which ones needed removed from count?
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:42 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Is ballot harvesting illegal in Arizona?
Yes and no.
What most think of as ballot harvesting is illegal in AZ. A partisan can't knock on doors and get ballots filled out that they then drop off at volume.
What's legal is for a family member or caregiver to mail/drop off a ballot.
That's the problem with the video - - - there is no way to know any of these people aren't dropping off ballots from their household or other immediate family members. If my family voted early, there'd be video of one of us dropping off 5 ballots. All legal.
Based on my understanding of how it works, we're too focused on how the ballots are submitted. There is no way to control that outside of banning early voting - which I'm okay with, but that'll never happen.
What we should be focusing on is how you get your hands on a ballot. Some states mail ballots to everyone, whether requested or not, whether correct address or not, and apparently it can also happen that a single voter has multiple ballots mailed out to multiple addresses.
The way it works in AZ, you have to call or submit online a request for a ballot to be mailed. To do so, you need to be able to provide your name, address on file, and either your SSN or DLN. I think that is fairly effective, however, the weakness in the system is you can make a standing request - every election a ballot is mailed to you automatically, so if you move (on average people move every, what, 4-5 years?) and don't update your address, your ballot is going to whoever resides at your old place. One of my son's friends received 7 ballots for last Tue (lives in an apartment).
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:51 pm to David_DJS
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there is no way to know any of these people aren't dropping off ballots from their household or other immediate family members. If my family voted early, there'd be video of one of us dropping off 5 ballots. All legal.
There is a way to know. Find the person in the video and ask them for whom they were submitting ballots.
It would take 20 minutes to locate them and 20 minutes to question them. Neither will be done because the people in charge of safeguarding the system don’t care to safeguard the system.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:02 pm to Fat Bastard
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5K dead people voted in Maricopa county
* 10K voters used the same SS#
no one believes this.
not one person.
jj first I think, wow what crap! wow jj you posted some weak propaganda. then I see people all upset because they fell for it.
lol.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:08 pm to Jjdoc
They are taking pictures of it. That's how they get paid.
That means there is a trail.
That means there is a trail.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:09 pm to Runner1
It doesn't matter. All election/ voting fraud needs to be harshly dealt with, regardless of the beneficiary of the fraud.
That said, there is one side that openly brags about "fortifying" elections and has magically found enough ballots to win elections well before I started paying serious attention to election fraud in 2004.
That said, there is one side that openly brags about "fortifying" elections and has magically found enough ballots to win elections well before I started paying serious attention to election fraud in 2004.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:13 pm to AggieHank86
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THESE are just SOME of the problems with dropboxes.
Can't believe you actually posted something I agree with.
Then you fricked it all up with excuses why these aren't tainted ballots.. you're part of the problem Groomer
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:16 pm to doubleb
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I didn’t see anyone dropping a hundred ballots or anything like that.
Two, two inch thick stacks of ballots from one of the car doesn't show you proof? Explain the ones shown taking pictures of the drop?
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