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re: ATL Thread | offseason hot takes + discussion
Posted on 12/18/22 at 2:18 pm to TrussvilleTide
Posted on 12/18/22 at 2:18 pm to TrussvilleTide
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because Liberty Media wont ok a huge contract.
That’s not LM’s decision.
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Posted on 12/18/22 at 2:46 pm to Wally Sparks
Just dropping in to say that Dansby isn’t elite and it’s hilarious he’s getting paid $25MM+ AAV for 7 years. Jesus.
Posted on 12/18/22 at 3:34 pm to sorantable
Think part of that money is a GM thinking there is an over correction coming with the shift gone, so he went after one of the game’s best gloves
Posted on 12/19/22 at 6:43 am to VADawg
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How did the Pujols and Cabrera deals work out for the Angels and Tigers?
The Tigers went to a WS with Cabrera and he won a Triple Crown, Cabrera wasn't the issue with those teams
If the Angels had looked at a HR spray chart before they signed Pujols they would have seen it wasn't going to work
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If it's spent smartly.
I don't think the Tigers or Angels are teams I would consider smart and one of those two examples I would say worked out for the team about as well as you can hope. Replace Cabrera with a cheap vet 1B and improve those Tigers teams in other areas. Do they win a WS then? Who knows, but I doubt it. I doubt they even get as close as they did with Cabrera.
People often don't realize that big contracts are transactional in terms of opportunity cost for both sides. What would Juan Soto, who will be 26 I believe as a free agent, be worth on a 3-5 year deal when hes a free agent? The AAV would be ridiculous, way more than the Rays entire payroll. So you sign those guys to a long contract, the player concedes money now and takes less per year, and the team concedes that they are likely going to be overpaying for someone thats not worth the money on the tail end of the deal.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 6:47 am to VADawg
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Liberty Media wont ok a huge contract.
By law, they aren't allowed to inject extra cash into the Braves that the team doesn't earn themselves.
I think the company that wrote the playbook on skirting around revenue sharing rules via the Battery that all the other big market teams are now copying could figure out how to put more cash into the team if they really wanted to
Posted on 12/19/22 at 6:48 am to sorantable
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Just dropping in to say that Dansby isn’t elite and it’s hilarious he’s getting paid $25MM+ AAV for 7 years. Jesus.
I don't think he is either and I'm glad we didn't pay him that, but I figured we would pay someone and not just roll with a guy who is likely going to cost us games with his glove in a division with two teams who are going old school Yankees-level spending
Posted on 12/19/22 at 7:22 am to TrussvilleTide
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People often don't realize that big contracts are transactional in terms of opportunity cost for both sides
No, I do understand that. I also applaud AA for being smart enough not to sign one of these astronomically stupid deals. While things may look nice for the Phillies right now, there comes a day when the bill is due and they'll be paying nearly $60M combined to 40 year old Bryce Harper and 40 year old Trea Turner.
That's baseball's version of dead money and AA doesn't want to get in that business. I'm not sure I can think of a single one of these huge contracts that worked out as well or better for the team than they did the player.
This post was edited on 12/19/22 at 7:37 am
Posted on 12/19/22 at 8:14 am to VADawg
Truss,
You have no idea if our SS position is going to cost us games with the glove. I’m not saying that position won’t but you can’t just assume it will. I could also make the claim that Dansby’s 7 K’s out of 16 at bats cost us the playoffs this past season. It’s all just conjecture. The bottom line is Dansby is not 25 million dollars better than either Grissom or Arica. If someone should get that money it should be a pitcher who is the true difference maker. The Braves will make the tourney while Dansby will be at home because the Cubs spend money stupidly and not on pitching.
You have no idea if our SS position is going to cost us games with the glove. I’m not saying that position won’t but you can’t just assume it will. I could also make the claim that Dansby’s 7 K’s out of 16 at bats cost us the playoffs this past season. It’s all just conjecture. The bottom line is Dansby is not 25 million dollars better than either Grissom or Arica. If someone should get that money it should be a pitcher who is the true difference maker. The Braves will make the tourney while Dansby will be at home because the Cubs spend money stupidly and not on pitching.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 8:26 am to RunningJacket
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you can’t just assume it will.
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guy who is likely going to cost us games with his glove
And you also missed the point of the comment if you thought it was just about the shortstop position, or just about Dansby vs Grissom.
This post was edited on 12/19/22 at 8:29 am
Posted on 12/19/22 at 8:30 am to RunningJacket
Question for all, ff you were AA what would your final offer have been to Dansby?
Posted on 12/19/22 at 8:34 am to 21zereaux
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Question for all, ff you were AA what would your final offer have been to Dansby?
I don't know, context depends on the actual budget of the team which I'm not sure about.
I bet we offered something like 6 for 125-130.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 9:47 am to 21zereaux
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Question for all, ff you were AA what would your final offer have been to Dansby?
7/$140
I'd have gone the extra year, and this is also in response to VA's post about how much the Phillies will owe Turner and Harper at the end of their contracts. 10 years ago, no one had a $200 million payroll. The Braves were at $83. If this off season is any indication, 10 years from now $60 million probably won't handcuff a team as the payrolls could very well be well over $300 million for several teams
Losing Dansby won't be as devastating as some are making it out to be, but hindsight being 20/20, not giving Freddie what he asked for was a huge mistake. Especially seeing as what he would likely have gotten this year.
Anybody wonder what the Dodgers are up to? I'm assuming they're holding steady waiting on Machado and Ohtani for next year. Would make sense with all the 1 year deals they're making, as they are usually right in the mix for most of the big FAs.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 10:07 am to Dale Murphy
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Anybody wonder what the Dodgers are up to?
They’ve been over the luxury tap threshold for multiple years in a row now so if they continue, their penalty would be outrageous. They are going to spend 2023 under the luxury tax and then next year their penalties will reset because they are no longer repeat offenders, and can then spend like crazy again.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 10:38 am to Dale Murphy
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Anybody wonder what the Dodgers are up to?
Being very conservative this year because of the uncertainty with the Bauer situation.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 10:55 am to Dale Murphy
quote:They probably have their weakest team in a few years, but should at least make the playoffs and hope they can get hot enough to make a run. Seems they are content to reset the luxury tax and spend big next year. Of course its the dodgers, so it won't be a surprise when they trade some middling prospects for adames, burnes and 35% of yellich's contract
Anybody wonder what the Dodgers are up to?
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:12 am to sorantable
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Just dropping in to say that Dansby isn’t elite and it’s hilarious he’s getting paid $25MM+ AAV for 7 years. Jesus.
I agree. But $25MM is beginning to not look like a huge MLB salary. There are 16 players make $30MM+ AAV and 31 players making $25MM+ AAV. By the end of the contract 7 years from now $25MM will seem even less.
I’m not advocating paying Swanson $25MM because I think that’s probably not a wise choice. Im just noting how big the numbers have gotten in the MLB and that our (MLB fans in general) perception of these numbers is lagging behind reality.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:28 am to Undertow
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Im just noting how big the numbers have gotten in the MLB and that our (MLB fans in general) perception of these numbers is lagging behind reality.
Yep, see my previous post. Everyone talking about how bad the Phillies and Padres are going to have it at the end of all of these 10 year contracts. In 10 years, $25 million will seem like a bargain.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:35 am to Dale Murphy
I'm of the belief that enough teams are going to get burned badly by these long deals that a correction will happen eventually. Somewhere in the Giants front office, the phrase "Holy shite, we still have to pay Correa for nine more seasons" will be said in 2027. The Padres will have the same feeling about the Tatis deal (albeit this one is very, very different as this was a young player being extended).
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:36 am to Dale Murphy
quote:For good players. add in an extension for nola and the phils will probably be paying 80 million for multiple years of little to no production. But that will be a problem for the next GM
In 10 years, $25 million will seem like a bargain.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 12:24 pm to VADawg
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Somewhere in the Giants front office, the phrase "Holy shite, we still have to pay Correa for nine more seasons" will be said in 2027. The Padres will have the same feeling about the Tatis deal (albeit this one is very, very different as this was a young player being extended).
Kind of related I guess, but I saw a post comparing Trea Turner and Correa statistically and was pretty surprised at how comparable Correa has been statistically to Turner and at a younger age. I didn't really think Turner was way better, but Turner gets way more attention because hes played on large market teams.
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