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re: ATL Thread | offseason hot takes + discussion
Posted on 12/20/22 at 8:57 am to Jeaux Cool
Posted on 12/20/22 at 8:57 am to Jeaux Cool
We could be A's fans. 
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:14 am to RunningJacket
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Some still butt hurt we let a guy like Contreras go and only replaced him with the 2nd best catcher in the sport.
No, you're still missing the point entirely about why people weren't thrilled with the Murphy or Jiminez trades. I'll try to lay it out:
Coming into the offseason, IMO, the three biggest needs for the Braves in no particular order were SS, LF, and dump Ozuna's contract. So far this offseason, we have traded our two best position player trade chips (Contreras and Malloy; I'm assuming Grissom is almost off limits at this point), four whatever pitching prospects, and Manny Pina. In those trades, exactly zero of those needs have been filled.
There are still huge holes on this roster at SS, LF, and DH, and there is no way to fill them. There is no money left to spend and there are no quality, affordable free agents out there (don't even try to talk me into a washed up Elvis Andrus). Also, there is nothing left to trade without dipping into the major league roster and no real trade targets that would make the team better. Amed Rosario does nothing for me; we'd get the same thing running out Arcia and Grissom.
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If Malloy turns into another Acuna then it was a mistake
I don't think most Braves fans realize how badly we're going to soon need quality, cheap, pre arb bats once all of these extensions really start kicking in. They're all backloaded.
My opening day lineup prediction:
Acuna
Harris
Riley
Olson
Albies
Murphy
Rosario
Ozuna
Grissom
That bottom three is rough looking.
This post was edited on 12/20/22 at 9:34 am
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:54 am to VADawg
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Acuna
Harris
Riley
Olson
Albies
Murphy
Rosario
Ozuna
Grissom
That bottom three is rough looking
Ozzie coming off an injury and is somewhat streaky. Olson is streaky. I don't think you can really pencil in Harris to repeat last year, his BABIP was higher than Judge, Machado, and Arenado's, but he could be just as good or even a little better as well and gives us elite defense in center either way.
So basically we are gonna have stretches where we are either losing a bunch or grinding out close wins against teams we should beat handily, and stretches where we just crush everyone. Just like last year.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 10:06 am to TrussvilleTide
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I don't think you can really pencil in Harris to repeat last year
If Harris regresses, this lineup is not nearly as intimidating as it has been over the last few years.
Right now, it feels like the Braves should have another really good team but it also feels like we need a lot of things to go right for that to happen.
This post was edited on 12/20/22 at 10:07 am
Posted on 12/20/22 at 10:09 am to VADawg
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Right now, it feels like the Braves should have another really good team but it also feels like we need a lot of things to go right for that to happen.
the way I see it we won 100 games this season when a lot of things went horribly wrong. I feel really good about 2023. I have a sneaky suspicion that Soroka takes home the Comeback Player of the Year with a very strong 2nd half of the year.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 11:36 am to VinegarStrokes
I just hope we change our hitting philosophy this year, especially now that the shift is gone and base hits gain some value again. It was infuriating at times how we lacked situational awareness at the plate by not being able to put a ball in play because 1-9 would be asked to go up there and hit a home run, leading to a strikeout.
Still have nigthmares of the scoring opportunities we squandered in game one against Philly.
Harris was like the only dude on the team who understood the situation of the game and went with what the pitcher gave him instead of trying to manifest a preferred outcome. I actually think his hitting numbers take a jump this year with no shift against him.
Still, I think it's fair to say we've gotten worse as a team this offseason.
Still have nigthmares of the scoring opportunities we squandered in game one against Philly.
Harris was like the only dude on the team who understood the situation of the game and went with what the pitcher gave him instead of trying to manifest a preferred outcome. I actually think his hitting numbers take a jump this year with no shift against him.
Still, I think it's fair to say we've gotten worse as a team this offseason.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 11:40 am to VinegarStrokes
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the way I see it we won 100 games this season when a lot of things went horribly wrong. I feel really good about 2023. I have a sneaky suspicion that Soroka takes home the Comeback Player of the Year with a very strong 2nd half of the year.
I think the 2022 team was better than this one will be and our main opponents in division improved. But I think if you put the 2022 Braves and 2021 Braves against each other for 162 games the 2022 Braves win more than they lose, so that might not matter just so long as we make the playoffs (which we should).
Posted on 12/20/22 at 12:54 pm to TrussvilleTide
If you had to place a significant amount of money (meaning remove as much bias as you possibly can), would you bet on the Braves winning the NL East or making it in as a wild card?
I think I'd lean wild card, finishing 2nd in the East behind the Phillies, who theoretically will have a healthy Bryce Harper all year, added Turner and still have Nola and Wheeler at the top of their rotation.
I think I'd lean wild card, finishing 2nd in the East behind the Phillies, who theoretically will have a healthy Bryce Harper all year, added Turner and still have Nola and Wheeler at the top of their rotation.
This post was edited on 12/20/22 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 12/20/22 at 1:03 pm to Broski
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who theoretically will have a healthy Bryce Harper all year,
Granted I know it's not as rough on a hitter, but with recent TJ surgery, I'd expect him to miss some time. Maybe not enough to make a huge difference.
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If you had to place a significant amount of money (meaning remove as much bias as you possibly can), would you bet on the Braves winning the NL East or making it in as a wild card?
I put $100 on the Braves to win the WS. Granted it's not really significant money and definitely biased. I'd probably agree with you about the WC.
And from another post above, getting rid of the shift could exacerbate the homer or nothing approach. Lefties never did really attempt to hit the ball the other way, but that may have just as much to do with the pitching as it did the hitter. With the left side of the field actually being covered, they surely won't take that approach. But I can see it the other way, as well. More holes on the pull side so don't necessarily have to hit it over their heads. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 1:06 pm to Dale Murphy
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Granted I know it's not as rough on a hitter, but with recent TJ surgery, I'd expect him to miss some time. Maybe not enough to make a huge difference.
Sure, but if we are in this thread projecting everything to go right and progress for the Braves, we have to do the same for other teams as well.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 1:12 pm to Broski
quote:I would not take us to win the division right now I don't think. This team on paper is not as good as last years imo. If we upgrade LF or SS (which doesn't seem likely) I might give the current team the edge.
would you bet on the Braves winning the NL East or making it in as a wild card?
Posted on 12/20/22 at 1:29 pm to Broski
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healthy Bryce Harper all year,
Bryce is supposed to miss at least a little bit of the start of the season.
Their owner said that after the WS.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 1:30 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Bryce is supposed to miss at least a little bit of the start of the season.
So he'll miss April.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 1:30 pm to Broski
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If you had to place a significant amount of money (meaning remove as much bias as you possibly can), would you bet on the Braves winning the NL East or making it in as a wild card?
Until someone unseats them, I have the Braves winning the division
Posted on 12/20/22 at 1:31 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Until someone unseats them, I have the Braves winning the division
So you don't think the Braves are winning the World Series this year then.
Do you think the Braves got better this offseason?
This post was edited on 12/20/22 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 12/20/22 at 3:56 pm to Broski
SI.com with a trade proposal:
Braves get Brandon Crawford, German Marquez, and cash
Giants get d'Arnaud, Dinelson Lamet
Rockies get Joey Bart, Soroka, Rosario
So the Braves would trade away d'Arnaud, Soroka, and Rosario for Crawford, Marquez, and cash (doesn't say how much).
Unless it's a billion dollars, where do they come up with this stuff.
Braves get Brandon Crawford, German Marquez, and cash
Giants get d'Arnaud, Dinelson Lamet
Rockies get Joey Bart, Soroka, Rosario
So the Braves would trade away d'Arnaud, Soroka, and Rosario for Crawford, Marquez, and cash (doesn't say how much).
Unless it's a billion dollars, where do they come up with this stuff.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 4:00 pm to Broski
There have been some insane contracts given out this off-season, but the majority of them have been pretty reasonable, and we’re still not in on any players anyone has ever heard of.
I swear our competitors are signing or resigning a new player to a 1 or 2 year deal for $10-15MM every day.
I swear our competitors are signing or resigning a new player to a 1 or 2 year deal for $10-15MM every day.
This post was edited on 12/20/22 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 12/20/22 at 4:01 pm to Dale Murphy
what da frick?
Why on earth would we do that?
Why on earth would we do that?
Posted on 12/20/22 at 4:09 pm to Dale Murphy
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So the Braves would trade away d'Arnaud, Soroka, and Rosario for Crawford, Marquez, and cash (doesn't say how much).
Posted on 12/20/22 at 4:32 pm to sorantable
Many are here crying about the 2 “holes” in our lineup. Gee whiz man does anybody have 9 great hitters in their lineup along with 5 solid starters and a lock down pen?
You can’t have it all.
I’m inclined to trust AA, Snit et al
Everybody’s good with everything but SS and LF. Grissom is more than serviceable with a tremendous upside.
Rosario/Ozuna is certainly serviceable as well with an opportunity to ride a hot hand.
I like Dansby too but not at that price.
You can’t have it all.
I’m inclined to trust AA, Snit et al
Everybody’s good with everything but SS and LF. Grissom is more than serviceable with a tremendous upside.
Rosario/Ozuna is certainly serviceable as well with an opportunity to ride a hot hand.
I like Dansby too but not at that price.
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