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re: Medical School Admissions Standards Lowered
Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:38 am to QJenk
Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:38 am to QJenk
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To play devil's advocate here. If standards were lowered for them to get in med school, then chances are they would end up failing out anyways. So if they persevered through med school, completing every class to satisfactory standard, passed every test, certification, etc to officially be classified as a doctor. Then at that point I would say they are qualified, no matter what their undergrad gpa was.
I understand what you are saying but this has infected every rung of the ladder. It’s a race to see who can be most diverse.
The residency programs see that the med schools are being more “diverse” so they try to play the same game. Then entities like Ochsner need to up their quotas. So no there isn’t a stop gap.
The residency programs are selecting diverse candidates with lower step scores. These step scores are meant to separate medical students from each other.
Once you are in residency you are a practicing doctor. It’s very very hard to weed someone out at that point. You can be bad at your job and never get fired.
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Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:40 am to QJenk
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If the standards to actually satisfactory pass medical school, and the licensing requirements are being lowered, then I definitely have a problem with that.
The licensing requirements are easier than any test in medical school. The pass rates are very high. It says little to nothing about their ability to practice medicine.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:48 am to dewster
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It’s not, because matriculation stats for med schools are actually published by aamc. There is a much higher bar for white and Asian students. Has been for a long time now.
You can look them up yourself without paying anything. You can’t see them broken down by school, but you can see them for all schools. It’s pretty alarming.
This could be an eye opening experience for that poster if we assume he's just ignorant and not a typical lying leftist. I'm excited to find out which group he's in.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 9:47 am to Louie11
Here's the question we need to be asking:
These are state-run medical schools in states with Republican legislatures. Where are the Republicans? Why aren't they doing anything about this? On many med school applications, you basically have to swear allegiance to CRT. Why aren't the state Republicans who have oversight of these schools doing anything?
Yet another episode in worthless state GOP. I don't think most people understand the depth to which CRT has infected medicine. There is one group, Do No Harm, who is standing up to all of this but there is much more that needs to be done. It can start with state legislatures banning CRT on medical school applications. Many med schools now require, in addition to the MCAT, a separate test called the AAMC PREview, which tests people in "cultural competence" (Read: CRT) just to make sure you are thoroughly indoctrinated.
Other schools require the CASPer test, which is just as bad. Here's a sample question:
Prompt:
History shows that in the wake of an injustice in any community, supporters for a cause come together to rally, march or protest so relevant policies or systemic behaviors can be rectified. However, peaceful protests have sometimes turned into destructive riots, which result in property damage and death.
Sample CASPer Questions:
1. What are your thoughts on protests and riots?
2. In your opinion, what is the most effective way for civilian groups to influence unfair laws or policies?
3. Describe a time you stood up for something you thought was right.
Sorry for the long posting, but people need to get the word out about just how much CRT has infested the medical profession.
These are state-run medical schools in states with Republican legislatures. Where are the Republicans? Why aren't they doing anything about this? On many med school applications, you basically have to swear allegiance to CRT. Why aren't the state Republicans who have oversight of these schools doing anything?
Yet another episode in worthless state GOP. I don't think most people understand the depth to which CRT has infected medicine. There is one group, Do No Harm, who is standing up to all of this but there is much more that needs to be done. It can start with state legislatures banning CRT on medical school applications. Many med schools now require, in addition to the MCAT, a separate test called the AAMC PREview, which tests people in "cultural competence" (Read: CRT) just to make sure you are thoroughly indoctrinated.
Other schools require the CASPer test, which is just as bad. Here's a sample question:
Prompt:
History shows that in the wake of an injustice in any community, supporters for a cause come together to rally, march or protest so relevant policies or systemic behaviors can be rectified. However, peaceful protests have sometimes turned into destructive riots, which result in property damage and death.
Sample CASPer Questions:
1. What are your thoughts on protests and riots?
2. In your opinion, what is the most effective way for civilian groups to influence unfair laws or policies?
3. Describe a time you stood up for something you thought was right.
Sorry for the long posting, but people need to get the word out about just how much CRT has infested the medical profession.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:11 am to Louie11
Whatever it takes to get more indigenous and black physicians in the medical field. A field dominated by white doctors literally kills black and trans persyns
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:16 am to Louie11
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:28 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Yea but do you want to be in his first 1,000 surgeries before we figure out what his batting average is?
Good point
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You act like people are keeping track of all their surgical outcomes and you can just look these stats up like a NFL quarterback
This too.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:33 am to Louie11
None of this is new. Affirmative action has long been a strong staple of medical school admissions.
With Step 1 now devolving into a pass/fail based exam, it's only a matter of time before medical schools no longer require an MCAT score. That will give them even more flexibility and authority to admit students based on skin color.
It will only be a matter of time before we hear about how the MCAT is racist, and furthers the "racial divide" in medicine.
With Step 1 now devolving into a pass/fail based exam, it's only a matter of time before medical schools no longer require an MCAT score. That will give them even more flexibility and authority to admit students based on skin color.
It will only be a matter of time before we hear about how the MCAT is racist, and furthers the "racial divide" in medicine.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:49 am to foosball
“ Too good to be true.Fact.”
Believe what you want. Maybe it was just a coincidence but I never did.
Pts. having to back wasn’t common but I’ve had to send patients back for just about every other surgeon.
I was always relieved when I came in and was assigned his “hearts”,I knew it was going to be a easy day( relatively speaking).
I got huge number of down votes and no up votes.I was surprised.I knew a good many black Drs.I don’t know if they were all A.A.but some were great Drs.and some were terrible.
Knew many more white Drs. obviously none were A.A.Some were great and some were truly terrible,Sure they made great scores but they were a menace in the hospital.
Same goes for nurses.I worked with white,black,Filipinos,gays.Same principle,some were great and some were terrible.Educational levels,same principle-I worked with Lpn’ that were much better than Bsn’s with top grades.
I’m sure Dr.Fauci made great scores but how many people’s deaths is that fricker responsible for? Think about that.
Believe what you want. Maybe it was just a coincidence but I never did.
Pts. having to back wasn’t common but I’ve had to send patients back for just about every other surgeon.
I was always relieved when I came in and was assigned his “hearts”,I knew it was going to be a easy day( relatively speaking).
I got huge number of down votes and no up votes.I was surprised.I knew a good many black Drs.I don’t know if they were all A.A.but some were great Drs.and some were terrible.
Knew many more white Drs. obviously none were A.A.Some were great and some were truly terrible,Sure they made great scores but they were a menace in the hospital.
Same goes for nurses.I worked with white,black,Filipinos,gays.Same principle,some were great and some were terrible.Educational levels,same principle-I worked with Lpn’ that were much better than Bsn’s with top grades.
I’m sure Dr.Fauci made great scores but how many people’s deaths is that fricker responsible for? Think about that.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 10:57 am
Posted on 9/19/22 at 11:55 am to mahdragonz
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It's imagined. This is like believing in dragons and fairies. Sounds like if someone believes this then they are too dim to be in medicine.
Your opinion is just an opinion. It has no basis in facts or experiences.
I graduated medical school over 25 years ago and have served on medical school acceptance committees and residency acceptance committees.
The principle to increase diversity in medicine is great. You can’t compare an Apple to an Orange. Minorities (from poor school systems) need an advantage since they have experienced every disadvantage growing up. Poor home life and less qualified teachers.
When these programs began, we had a .25 GPA bump and a equally small MCAT bump. With this, we accepted hundreds of minority candidates that are now excellent physicians.
Where did we go wrong?
Focusing on skin color alone starting about 5-7 years ago. A black candidate that applies from a private school should have ZERO advantage. They are the same as a wealthy white or Asian candidate.
We also started lowering the GPA and MCAT requirements to an “unsafe” limit. The kids getting in now (at the minimum) cannot learn the volume of material required to be excellent in medicine.
Watch out for YOUNG minority physicians about 10 years from now - unless they come highly recommended by other physicians in the community.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 11:59 am to Louie11
Without realizing it, Liberals will soon make back-alley abortions safer than many mainstream operations....
Posted on 9/19/22 at 12:34 pm to TigerIron
STEP 1 scores have already shifted to pass/fail only. So the ways to differentiate applicants if getting tougher and tougher.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:10 pm to TigerEye2020
Let's just hope the Supreme Court fixes this racist and unconstitutional bullsh!t with the North Carolina and Harvard cases this coming term.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:14 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Damn! That's rough.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:26 pm to Louie11
If your doctor is an Asian or White male, chances are he had to work 10x harder and is 2x more intelligent. The weak always want to punish people that are intelligent and strong.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:36 pm to SECdragonmaster
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We also started lowering the GPA and MCAT requirements to an “unsafe” limit. The kids getting in now (at the minimum) cannot learn the volume of material required to be excellent in medicine.
I mean if I identify as a cat I could probably become a doctor.
Again, I’ll think long and harder about medical treatment after this pandemic.
Health care professionals don’t like it? Should have stepped up and said something. I had to lie about my daughters age for her to go see my dying grandfather. 3 weeks ago.
frick medical.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:51 pm to Louie11
I'm glad I'll be dead before the kids from the school video are given doctorates to practice medicine for being "disadvantaged".
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:55 pm to kywildcatfanone
Not only are admission standards being lowered in the name of equity.
Now the USMLE Step 1. THE exam that either opens or shuts doors for what specialty you are trying to match into. That single score is the obsession of medical students nation wide.
This exam has gone to Pass/Fail.
Stating that non white medical students score significantly lower on it than white students.
Therefore the exam score is racist. So the scores are done away with.
Problem solved.
Now the USMLE Step 1. THE exam that either opens or shuts doors for what specialty you are trying to match into. That single score is the obsession of medical students nation wide.
This exam has gone to Pass/Fail.
Stating that non white medical students score significantly lower on it than white students.
Therefore the exam score is racist. So the scores are done away with.
Problem solved.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:59 pm to SabiDojo
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Whatever it takes to get more indigenous and black physicians
Aren't you mexican?
Posted on 9/19/22 at 2:00 pm to SECdragonmaster
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Where did we go wrong? Focusing on skin color alone starting about 5-7 years ago.
This has been going on for decades in medical school admissions. Perhaps your own program ramped up their efforts or your own personal line was crossed 5-7 years ago, but this is not a recent thing.
Personally, I think the biggest threat are the residency programs who will push all of their trainees through the program - regardless of whether they are fit to treat patients or not.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 2:05 pm
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