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Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:03 pm to whitefoot
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but this comment isn't fair to Nuss. I'm not sure how you can judge him on his only start as a true freshman with a total shite show of a team and coaching staff.
It’s not a judgement. It’s pointing out, based of what anyone has seen from him, how can people talk about him like he’s fricking Drew Brees with pre-snap reads and going through progressions?
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:04 pm to Gus007
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Maybe the start of the fourth quarter when we had only scored 10 points.
You mean when he had led the team inside the FSU 10 yard line on 3 of 5 possessions and only hadn’t scored more on those possessions because of a bad snap and Boutte not looking for the ball on his route?
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:05 pm to MikeTheTiger71
We also had a false start on the 5 on second down.
Gotta believe we would have run the ball there maybe set up 3rd or 4th and short
Gotta believe we would have run the ball there maybe set up 3rd or 4th and short
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:08 pm to mmcgrath
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He said it to the sideline reporter right after the team ran onto the field. It was weird because he wasn't even asked about playing both.
At the time he probably expected more than 7 possessions in the game.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:27 pm to landrywasbeast30
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If you like Daniels, why would you want to see the backup, in a game that’s not a blowout, a game in which the qb was not the problem? People want to see Nuss cause they want him to be the starting qb.
We had I believe 47 yards passing at halftime. There were protection issues but some of that was Daniels' fault (pre-snap), and he also held on the ball too long on some plays and took off too quickly without going through his progressions on others. It's also unclear how much of this is Denbrock calling abysmal, slow developing plays given the circumstances and being too slow to adjust.
Daniels had a great end to the game, which he should be commended for. But he didn't play "great" on balance, and he didn't seem too great on the intangibles side (pocket awareness, pre-snap adjustments, and reads). It should be noted that this was his first start, and again, Denbrock may be most at fault.
But given how the night went, it's not surprising people thought we should try to go with Nuss, given what he brings to the table and how close the QB battle seemed to be.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:37 pm to BeeFense5
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The same themes keep coming out with those wanting to see nuss because “he goes through progressions and processes better”. What evidence is there that this is the case? It certainly wasn’t from the Arkansas game last year.
He keeps his eyes downfield when he needs to scramble and keeps plays alive. He's
also fully willing to throw into tight windows. He's generally pretty accurate but will obviously throw picks so that's a tradeoff. No way to know this, but he may have also done a better job at the LOS getting protection aligned right or calling hot routes. This seemed to be an underrated issue with Daniels Sunday night in retrospect (Kelly sort of alluded to this also).
Daniels of course seems like the opposite... takes care of the ball better but if the first guy isn't obviously open, he will take off. May be an issue with trusting his OL, which you can't blame him for. But to me that is not a sustainable system at all, which the score and offensive production at halftime reflected.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:44 pm to stephendomalley
If Daniels had truly struggled with accuracy or turnovers, we'd likely have seen Nuss. But other than maybe not seeing a few open WRs and running a few times when he could have thrown it, he did a good job considering the O-line issues and lack of running game.
And we could still see him in any game if Daniels struggles. If we don't see him at all, that means Daniels is doing a very good job and could enter the draft with Nuss being the frontrunner to start next season. I like Nuss too, but with our O-line problems and lack of a traditional running game so far, Daniels is probably the better fit unless he starts turning it over or has real accuracy issues. We've only played one game, so anything can happen.
And we could still see him in any game if Daniels struggles. If we don't see him at all, that means Daniels is doing a very good job and could enter the draft with Nuss being the frontrunner to start next season. I like Nuss too, but with our O-line problems and lack of a traditional running game so far, Daniels is probably the better fit unless he starts turning it over or has real accuracy issues. We've only played one game, so anything can happen.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:46 pm to Big EZ Tiger
The guy who can escape and throw outside of the pocket will be the one to keep the job. O line makes that a necessity.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:47 pm to landrywasbeast30
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It’s not a judgement
I'm pretty sure the guy I was responding to was saying we know what Nuss can do because we saw him against Arkansas. This came across a judgment of his current abilities to me. The reality is, we have no clue if he's the same guy we saw against Arkansas. What we do know is the QB competition was close and Daniels looked pretty good, so it stands to reason Nuss has improved a lot since last November.
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how can people talk about him like he’s fricking Drew Brees with pre-snap reads and going through progressions?
They can't. They're totally speculating and guessing. These claims have absolutely zero basis in reality. They'll tell you it's because he's a coach's son, but him being a coach's son didn't help him last year, so why would that have an impact on his ability this year?
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:52 pm to stephendomalley
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But fact is, no one knows who would do the better job at this point.
bullshite! the coaches know. How do you know the backup offensive linemen aren't better than the starters? You don't! It's the same with the QB.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:55 pm to stephendomalley
Don't forget Daniels is just a junior.
So he will start next year too.
Hopefully he shows enough improvement we can be dangerous with him next year.
So he will start next year too.
Hopefully he shows enough improvement we can be dangerous with him next year.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:56 pm to stephendomalley
We’ll see Nuss this weekend.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:59 pm to stephendomalley
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But fact is, no one knows who would do the better job at this point.
Our most athletic qb was running for his life and people wanted a less mobile qb to come in?
This post was edited on 9/7/22 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 9/7/22 at 2:05 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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Daniels had truly struggled with accuracy or turnovers, we'd likely have seen Nuss. But other than maybe not seeing a few open WRs and running a few times when he could have thrown it, he did a good job considering the O-line issues and lack of running game.
Daniels only real negative is that when a pocket got muddy he immediately dropped his eyes from down field(from what i can see from a broadcast viewing). I also think he is gonna have to trust his arm and let our wrs make plays on the ball when they arent running free. Its something burrow did all year in 2019. I readily admit that was a different breed of wrs in 2019 though.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 2:59 pm to southsidedell
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Its reasonable to want to see what you have in Nuss.
I saw it already.
I did love the Josh Bech catch though.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 4:23 pm to BugAC
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Majority of these people who say this, are posters like Damone or other people obsessed with race. They need racism in order for their lives to have purpose.
you're a f***ing commie equity dumbass. nothing at all to do with race. You think i wouldn't trade daniels and nuss for K.J., A.R., or Bryce? huh? this crap really pisses me off.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 4:30 pm to whitefoot
Probably when it was late 3rd quarter and he had completed 2 passes beyond the LOS. That’s when I thought a change might be made.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 4:38 pm to Madking
i love the guys who say the coaches know best. OK. but your head coach said that Nuss is quality and was 1B, that it was hard to decide. and OK, how about what Kiffin is doing - he said he's got the same issue so one qb got the start this week and the other the next week.
How come Kelly has no plan to give Nuss playing time? based on HIS opinion?
if Daniels is our QB, he's our qb, and i'm for him. i'm not saying he's a bust. I'm not sold on him. But if Kelly thinks Nuss is that good, why doesn't he get to see the field?
So, for you guys who are sold already, a question - we're going to beat Southern. If we lose to Moo St, would you want to see what Nuss can do?
How come Kelly has no plan to give Nuss playing time? based on HIS opinion?
if Daniels is our QB, he's our qb, and i'm for him. i'm not saying he's a bust. I'm not sold on him. But if Kelly thinks Nuss is that good, why doesn't he get to see the field?
So, for you guys who are sold already, a question - we're going to beat Southern. If we lose to Moo St, would you want to see what Nuss can do?
Posted on 9/7/22 at 4:48 pm to stephendomalley
You’re right, millionaire coaches make bad decisions on QBs all the time and Kelly said it on the sideline pre game that we’d see both. But you have to understand JD has a cult following since he got here so you can’t even point things like this out that are simply basic and honest questions.
This post was edited on 9/7/22 at 4:49 pm
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