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re: Javonte Smart
Posted on 8/26/22 at 3:40 pm to CP3forMVP
Posted on 8/26/22 at 3:40 pm to CP3forMVP
I get that it was a joke dumb frick
Just not a very good one. Extremely lazy joke. You and others were trying to add extra meaning to my posts in that thread too.
You want to talk hoops fine. Cut the bullshite.
This place reeks of tribalism. Y’all don’t like Harper bc he is short. And then you will say things like, oh he’s bad on defense and distributing the ball. Meanwhile, his teammates and coaches are lauding his defense and his floor game in interviews directly after the game.
But damn near none of y’all, actually do any homework on any of these guys.
I’ve watched Javonte 7 years and I actually really like him. If I’m telling you that Harper (who I have no allegiance or nostalgia towards) is better than Javonte.
He is better than Javonte. And if you don’t believe me, watch the tape for 2 seconds. Because against similar competition in SL, one guy had to get benched for his team to have a chance. The other guy, was still an extremely positive player, even while shooting far below his typical averages.
That’s undeniable. And so is the fact that my brother dropped 5 three pointers in Javonte’s grill in a 4-5 minute stretch.
I guess none of y’all have ever played sports or ever been in the zone so you can’t relate to that. fricking dweebs.
Just not a very good one. Extremely lazy joke. You and others were trying to add extra meaning to my posts in that thread too.
You want to talk hoops fine. Cut the bullshite.
This place reeks of tribalism. Y’all don’t like Harper bc he is short. And then you will say things like, oh he’s bad on defense and distributing the ball. Meanwhile, his teammates and coaches are lauding his defense and his floor game in interviews directly after the game.
But damn near none of y’all, actually do any homework on any of these guys.
I’ve watched Javonte 7 years and I actually really like him. If I’m telling you that Harper (who I have no allegiance or nostalgia towards) is better than Javonte.
He is better than Javonte. And if you don’t believe me, watch the tape for 2 seconds. Because against similar competition in SL, one guy had to get benched for his team to have a chance. The other guy, was still an extremely positive player, even while shooting far below his typical averages.
That’s undeniable. And so is the fact that my brother dropped 5 three pointers in Javonte’s grill in a 4-5 minute stretch.
I guess none of y’all have ever played sports or ever been in the zone so you can’t relate to that. fricking dweebs.
This post was edited on 8/26/22 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 8/26/22 at 4:30 pm to 3PieceSpicy
It’s not that you think Harper is better, it’s that you’re having a shite fit because people don’t agree with you. You sound like a child freaking out because you like Picolo and everyone thinks Goku is better
Posted on 8/26/22 at 4:53 pm to 3PieceSpicy
3PieceSpicy don't become unhinged challenge
difficulty: impossible
difficulty: impossible
Posted on 8/26/22 at 6:04 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:
3PieceSpicy
Plenty salty, too
Posted on 8/26/22 at 6:19 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:
Y’all don’t like Harper bc he is short. And then you will say things like, oh he’s bad on defense and distributing the ball. Meanwhile, his teammates and coaches are lauding his defense and his floor game in interviews directly after the game.
quote:Wait, the thing with the coaches only matter when you want it to?
He is better than Javonte. And if you don’t believe me
This trade tells you who the organization thinks is better. By your logic, that means more than your opinion.
Posted on 8/26/22 at 7:02 pm to shel311
They got Smart for local name recognition. Nothing more, nothing less. All this arguing is pathetic.
Posted on 8/26/22 at 7:25 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Imagine getting this heated over guys who will contribute practically nothing to the pelicans. You must be a die hard squadron fan
This post was edited on 8/26/22 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 8/26/22 at 8:10 pm to 3PieceSpicy
come on brah
neither dude is making the pels roster in any universe. Both will likely play a full D league season and will lucky to be late season signings. Just stop with the huffing and puffing
neither dude is making the pels roster in any universe. Both will likely play a full D league season and will lucky to be late season signings. Just stop with the huffing and puffing
Posted on 8/26/22 at 8:42 pm to saintslsupels
I’ve said in the past. I don’t care if people agree or disagree with me. I honestly prefer people to disagree with me. I’m not a fan of herd thinking/mentality.
I also don’t appreciate the halfass arguments that are easily debunked by simply watching the games and interviews after the games. And I really don’t appreciate when people put extra meaning into what I have said.
And I don’t appreciate the people (especially that shithead tigerbait08) incorrectly calling BS on something I shared. I told that legitimate personal story to show you where I am coming from with my analysis.
I didn’t know who the frick Harper was until last Spring. I’ve been well aware and have liked Smart for quite awhile. Bias aside, it’s not a good trade. I don’t quite understand it. If it’s a name recognition local thing, that’s one thing, but to flip a 1st for a 3rd for that is strange. Also, Harper is likely more well known in Birmingham, considering he played his college ball in the state.
People are right. In the grand scheme this doesn’t matter. It also makes zero sense from a trade valuation standpoint. I don’t care what league it is.
With that being said, I hope Smart balls and plays some legit garbage time minutes on the real squad. Would def be a feel good story.
I also don’t appreciate the halfass arguments that are easily debunked by simply watching the games and interviews after the games. And I really don’t appreciate when people put extra meaning into what I have said.
And I don’t appreciate the people (especially that shithead tigerbait08) incorrectly calling BS on something I shared. I told that legitimate personal story to show you where I am coming from with my analysis.
I didn’t know who the frick Harper was until last Spring. I’ve been well aware and have liked Smart for quite awhile. Bias aside, it’s not a good trade. I don’t quite understand it. If it’s a name recognition local thing, that’s one thing, but to flip a 1st for a 3rd for that is strange. Also, Harper is likely more well known in Birmingham, considering he played his college ball in the state.
People are right. In the grand scheme this doesn’t matter. It also makes zero sense from a trade valuation standpoint. I don’t care what league it is.
With that being said, I hope Smart balls and plays some legit garbage time minutes on the real squad. Would def be a feel good story.
Posted on 8/26/22 at 9:14 pm to CoachSlatt22
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Louisiana High School Basketball GOAT
Randy Livingston still playing these days?
This post was edited on 8/26/22 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 8/27/22 at 4:58 am to 3PieceSpicy
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Bias aside, it’s not a good trade. I don’t quite understand it.
My own "Bias aside", because I know J personally, as I am sure some others do as well. This is zero risk to high reward move for the Pelicans. What you are failing to understand or get about the coaches both on the Squadron and Pels is that they may "like" Harper as a person and a player but there is a logjam right now of players that fit Harpers mold that we have much more invested in or that are proven NBA talents.
Graham 6'1
Lewis 6'1
McCollum 6'3
Daniels 6'6 (While much bigger obvs the Pels will want, especially in blowout or injury fill in games to handle primary ballhandler responsibilities.)
Harper is 6'1
The Pels have 4 guys again that they have more invested in and/or proven NBA players that even in an tight injury crunch they would rather give those minutes to.
Javonte is 6'4 and as a combo guard not only brings more versatility but played 17 games for the Heat last year a better team than NOP, while Harper only managed 5 . (But we coming btw baws!) Smart is younger by only a year but in terms of pro years this is his 2nd whereas I believe this is Harpers 5th. So Smart has a higher upside, more versatile, and as you alluded to you get the little added bonus whatever it may be of him being an LSU Tiger and a Louisiana player.
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It also makes zero sense from a trade valuation standpoint.
Again if Harper was on the Squadron or even a 2-way which he would not be, you would never get any benefit out of it not even in the next 2-3 years let alone this year. The G-League draft is also much like the MLB draft and college kids in the sense that many of the guys have other options that get drafted in the G-League. They may take other contracts overseas. The G-League draft and the order in which teams draft quite literally does not matter at all as teams usually have negotiated or talked with players beforehand which is legal and teams never choose who is either the "best available" or has the most potential but similar to the minor leagues in baseball for some orgs they draft guys to put around their 2-way or drafted guys and get the most out of them. I think something like half of the 3rd round picks go unused .
The higher likelihood is that neither Smart nor Harper ever play a full season for the Heat or Pelicans given their current roster makeups and timelines. And this trade does not matter. They actually probably gave Harper a much better chance to getting a full contract for that 13th-15th spot onto an NBA team by letting him go.
Lastly I rarely if ever post on this board, just because only so much time in a day with school . But you think this board or its posters are "tribalistic". GTFO
. A lot of these guys from perspective have stuck around here through the darkest days and do not really care about somebody like you or any other johnny come lately coming and telling them about the team.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:17 am to Coastrashtiger
I don't get the hometown bonus you brought up, which the Pelicans have never cared about. If this is for the squadron, which are in Birmingham. Harper went to Auburn. I think that would give him as much regional appeal as someone who went to LSU. I just don't see that being a factor.
I can see the age and experience/upside being the primary reason for Smart's greater value. Harper is probably maxed out and will be out of pro ball fairly soon. There is a small chance Smart can still become a rotation guy. Worth the risk I guess..
I can see the age and experience/upside being the primary reason for Smart's greater value. Harper is probably maxed out and will be out of pro ball fairly soon. There is a small chance Smart can still become a rotation guy. Worth the risk I guess..
Posted on 8/27/22 at 6:46 am to brmark70816
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I don't get the hometown bonus you brought up, which the Pelicans have never cared about. I just don't see that being a factor.
Oh no I agree I do not think it is a real true factor at all, all I was saying is that if Smart does make it to NOP even for a cup of coffee that it cannot hurt.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 9:49 am to 3PieceSpicy
quote:One of your arguments for harper was to point out what the coaches said about him. Those same coaches told you what they think of him compared to Smart. So...
I also don’t appreciate the halfass arguments
Posted on 8/27/22 at 3:14 pm to shel311
we are finding out during this long boring off-season that some of our frequent posters have unusually specific hangups LOL
first GOP and now spicy. When ATL goes off the reservation we might need a poster intervention program
first GOP and now spicy. When ATL goes off the reservation we might need a poster intervention program
Posted on 8/28/22 at 5:22 pm to Coastrashtiger
Most of your post was solid and I appreciated it. I’m not a Johnny come lately with this franchise though brother.
I went to the first playoff series this franchise ever had when it moved back to New Orleans. I’ve been a Hornets/Pels diehard since I’ve been 11-12 years old.
Other than that, good talk. I can’t discount much of what you brought to the table. You should post more often when time allows it. Have a good one.
I went to the first playoff series this franchise ever had when it moved back to New Orleans. I’ve been a Hornets/Pels diehard since I’ve been 11-12 years old.
Other than that, good talk. I can’t discount much of what you brought to the table. You should post more often when time allows it. Have a good one.
This post was edited on 8/28/22 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 8/28/22 at 5:35 pm to shel311
Correct me if I am wrong, but do coaches like Collins, Weatherspoon, and SL teammates like Trey Murphy and Naji have trade privileges for the GL team?
Because they can believe and say one thing and the front office/GL front office can still decide to do another.
And I am free to still agree with the coach and player analysis over the mystery men who signed off on the trade.
If you want to frame an argument the way you attempted to frame it in 2 posts now, let’s be honest, you are also picking and choosing the messages you are listening to from the organization. No one would acknowledge what the team (or Trey Murphy) was saying publicly about Harper in the SL, because it did not support their narrative.
Now something happened, where different members of the organization made a trade and now you and others are willing to accept a transaction for fuel to your narrative. When in reality, we aren’t exactly sure why the trade was made and we may never. The reasoning might stay behind close doors due to it being a GL deal.
Also, now there is an entire thread quoting a different Trey Murphy interview and taking it as gospel bc it’s a message the board likes to hear and believes in.
Meanwhile, 2 months ago when Trey Murphy praised Harper publicly, crickets.
So some of you really doing the same thing, you are accusing me of doing.
Because they can believe and say one thing and the front office/GL front office can still decide to do another.
And I am free to still agree with the coach and player analysis over the mystery men who signed off on the trade.
If you want to frame an argument the way you attempted to frame it in 2 posts now, let’s be honest, you are also picking and choosing the messages you are listening to from the organization. No one would acknowledge what the team (or Trey Murphy) was saying publicly about Harper in the SL, because it did not support their narrative.
Now something happened, where different members of the organization made a trade and now you and others are willing to accept a transaction for fuel to your narrative. When in reality, we aren’t exactly sure why the trade was made and we may never. The reasoning might stay behind close doors due to it being a GL deal.
Also, now there is an entire thread quoting a different Trey Murphy interview and taking it as gospel bc it’s a message the board likes to hear and believes in.
Meanwhile, 2 months ago when Trey Murphy praised Harper publicly, crickets.
So some of you really doing the same thing, you are accusing me of doing.
This post was edited on 8/28/22 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:33 pm to 3PieceSpicy
30 teams pass on Jared Harper and he's off to play ball in Spain.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:34 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:1 issue with you repeating this line... You conceded you were guilty of it, and I did not do that so I wasn't guilty of it, so there's that.
So some of you really doing the same thing, you are accusing me of doing.
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