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Posted on 8/21/22 at 9:43 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Halyna Hutchins was never a grip, she was a cinemaographer on this film, and mostly held director of photography type roles before this. And it wasn't an accident. He intentionally pointed a loaded weapon at her and pulled the trigger.
Right. And Alec Baldwin walked on the set that day wanting to MURDER her…
Posted on 8/21/22 at 9:53 pm to Flats
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1. He’s the producer, he hired the woefully inadequate “armorer”.
2. They used a functioning firearm.
3. They had live rounds on the set and would plink at cans during off hours
This comports with what I know of the situation - but I have not studied it at all.
But this is enough to lay the liability solely at Baldwin's feet - he was the man ultimately responsible for every single thing listed.
PLUS. being the negligent a-hole who actually pulled the trigger.
I dont for a second think it was intentional, but he is as responsible for her death as someone who just drives down a street shooting out the window.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:05 pm to Giantkiller
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Right. And Alec Baldwin walked on the set that day wanting to MURDER her…
Show me where I said he wanted to murder her. He did intentionally point a loaded gun at a woman and intentionally pull the trigger. Negligent homicide or manslaughter, without question, but not necessarily murder. But he is 100% responsible for her death and should suffer the consequences.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 6:31 am to thelawnwranglers
He pulled the trigger and someone died. He might not have intent to murder, but he is responsible for a death of a human being. He’ll probably get off because he is more important than some other schmuck who has done the same thing.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Then how the frick was Brandon Lee killed? Was he about to expose False flags or pedos too LMAO.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 8:18 pm to Saint Alfonzo
quote:What do the statutes say?
He did intentionally point a loaded gun at a woman and intentionally pull the trigger. Negligent homicide or manslaughter, without question, but not necessarily murder. But he is 100% responsible for her death and should suffer the consequences.
quote:The question of “due caution” will obviously be a fact question, on which the state will have the burden of proving the LACK of caution beyond a reasonable doubt.
30-2-3.B - Manslaughter
Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the … commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.
Section 30-2-5.A - Excusable homicide.
Homicide is excusable … when committed by accident or misfortune in doing any lawful act, by lawful means, with usual and ordinary caution and without any unlawful intent
Given that movie sets and crews rely upon the armorer, this looks like an insurmountable burden, vis-a-vis Baldwin and CRIMINAL charges.
The inevitable civil cases are an entirely-different matter, with a lower burden of proof (more likely than not) on the principle case and with the DEFENDANT having the burden of proof on any defenses.
But Baldwin is a Prog,, so he is GUILTY, reeeeeeee
This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 8/23/22 at 8:20 pm to thelawnwranglers
Do we really care? Alex Baldwin is an obnoxious, anti-Trump pig.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 8:21 pm to AggieHank86
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But Baldwin is a Prog,
We know; it's the only reason you're defending his actions.
See how easy it is to assign motives to someone else? Reeeeee
Posted on 8/23/22 at 8:22 pm to thelawnwranglers
He.Pulled.The.Trigger.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 8:23 pm to Flats
Flats, look directly above your post.
quote:Kinda confirms my point, don’t it?
Do we really care? Alex Baldwin is an obnoxious, anti-Trump pig.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 8:26 pm to AggieHank86
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Kinda confirms my point, don’t it?
Not unless it was spoken by the person you were responding to. Can I just take any opinion here and assign it to you?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 8:28 pm to Flats
quote:Y’all do so every day. Just same shite, different day.
Can I just take any opinion here and assign it to you?
Not one person in ten of those confident of his guilt has ever looked at the statute or considered the burden of proof.
They are convicting him because he lampoons Trump on SNL.
This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 8/23/22 at 8:33 pm to AggieHank86
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Y’all do so every day.
Y'all, as in 100% of this forum minus you? I'll take that as a yes. I'm not sure why you pretend to want civil discussion here anyway but if you're dropping the act that's fine.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 8:39 pm to BoarEd
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Is it murder? Maybe. Depends on if he had a motive and intent.
Motive is not a requirement for murder.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 8:43 pm to Giantkiller
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Right. And Alec Baldwin walked on the set that day wanting to MURDER her…
She was working on a documentary about sex trafficking with Anne Heche. He killed her.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 8:45 pm to MikeBRLA
quote:Again, let’s look at the statute.
Motive is not a requirement for murder.
quote:
Section 30-2-1 - Murder.
A. Murder in the first degree is the killing of one human being by another without lawful justification or excuse, by any of the means with which death may be caused:
(1) by any kind of willful, deliberate and premeditated killing;
(2) in the commission of or attempt to commit any felony; or
(3) by any act greatly dangerous to the lives of others, indicating a depraved mind regardless of human life…..
B. Unless he is acting upon sufficient provocation, upon a sudden quarrel or in the heat of passion, a person who kills another human being without lawful justification or excuse commits murder in the second degree if in performing the acts which cause the death he knows that such acts create a strong probability of death or great bodily harm to that individual or another.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 8:54 pm to AggieHank86
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They are convicting him because he lampoons Trump on SNL.
No, its because be killed somebody, statute be damned.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 8:56 pm to thelawnwranglers
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Why is Alec Baldwin responsible for murder?
I think most reasonable folks would say it’s manslaughter or negligent homicide.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 9:02 pm to thelawnwranglers
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Seems like there should have never been loaded gun on set
Okay then the Production company is at fault. And that company is owned by Alec Baldwin.
Either way Baldwin is at fault.
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