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re: Why is Alec Baldwin responsible for murder?
Posted on 8/21/22 at 7:04 am to thelawnwranglers
Posted on 8/21/22 at 7:04 am to thelawnwranglers
Why was Derek Chauvin convicted with murder? We have idiots driven by emotions driven by nefarious political parties.
Accidental killing of someone should not be considered murder. It dilutes the word/penality.
Accidental killing of someone should not be considered murder. It dilutes the word/penality.
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 7:07 am to idlewatcher
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One of which is NO LIVE AMMO on set. Alec is an actor, not an armorer.
Alec was also her boss as the producer. There were complaints about unsafe practices on set, including target practice for fun with that same gun with live rounds. He did nothing, and knowingly fired a potentially live round into the victim.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 7:14 am to thelawnwranglers
That poor woman didn't deserve to die like this. She was just doing her job. Who in his right mind would joke around and point a gun at anyone.
Alex Baldwin is two clicks short of bat s*** crazy.
Alex Baldwin is two clicks short of bat s*** crazy.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 7:20 am to MRF
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Alec was also her boss as the producer. There were complaints about unsafe practices on set, including target practice for fun with that same gun with live rounds. He did nothing, and knowingly fired a potentially live round into the victim.
This is why he is responsible, and should receive whatever the penalty is for negligent homicide.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 7:20 am to MRF
*Double Post*
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 7:43 am
Posted on 8/21/22 at 8:08 am to Scoob
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That isn't exactly the case... he didn't intentionally point it at her. He pointed it at a camera, and she was set up beyond the camera at a workstation, in the line of fire, as I understand it.
Yes, he did intentionally point it at her. And then he intentionally pulled the trigger. Your understanding of what happened is incorrect.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 8:18 am to BoarEd
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Because you treat every firearm as if it is loaded at all times and you never point a firearm at someone and pull the trigger.
It staggers me the number of people on this board who wouldn’t be able to pass a concealed carry class. On a Louisiana board.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 8:20 am to Scoob
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That isn't exactly the case... he didn't intentionally point it at her. He pointed it at a camera
And there are protocols against that because, you know, there’s usually somebody BEHIND that camera operating it.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 8:45 am to thelawnwranglers
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There is no reason to have real bullets
They have blanks in them. These look like real bullets, but without the projectile. They still have the powder so as ti sound like real bullets. The Amorer, is the one responsible for this since the actors haven't been trained to know the difference.
Should they be trained to know the difference? That's a different question. In this scene, Baldwin was shooting a real gun, with a blank in it, directly at the camera (and anything behind the camera). The shot was supposed to show the first-hand view of what the person would see when getting shot.
The question is, why was there live ammo in the gun. That's the aarmorer's job and everyone is supposed to trust the expert. Did the Armorer screw up, or did someone intentionally load live rounds into the gun?
Posted on 8/21/22 at 8:47 am to thelawnwranglers
Negligent Homocide
Posted on 8/21/22 at 8:56 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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Even in Los Angeles where this will be tried so he gets a friendly jury.
Explain to us how this will be tried in Los Angeles?
Posted on 8/21/22 at 8:59 am to 1BIGTigerFan
I think the typical thing to do in that situation is the folks behind the camera will be off to the side watching through a laptop. They had been firing live rounds through that same revolver earlier in the day. Target practice. Completely unrelated to the filming of the movie.
No matter which way you cut it, Baldwin is guilty of negligent homicide / manslaughter. He was the producer. He was responsible for overseeing the completely reckless safety practices on the set. The buck stops with him. And he pulled the damn trigger.
He's 100% guilty. It isn't even in question. Plus, he keeps lying about what happened.
No matter which way you cut it, Baldwin is guilty of negligent homicide / manslaughter. He was the producer. He was responsible for overseeing the completely reckless safety practices on the set. The buck stops with him. And he pulled the damn trigger.
He's 100% guilty. It isn't even in question. Plus, he keeps lying about what happened.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 9:01 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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Did the Armorer screw up, or did someone intentionally load live rounds into the gun?
This is most definitely what happened. Now how or why no one may ever know but there was no reason for live rounds to be there, yet they were and there was over a hundred rounds. This is no accident. Baldwin is 100% responsible because he pulled the trigger. Does armorer share responsibility? Absolutely but that doesn't remove Baldwin from the equation. Oh and those that keep saying the LA DA will protect him or not charge him need just stop and remove themselves from this discussion.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 9:12 am
Posted on 8/21/22 at 9:05 am to BoarEd
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They had been firing live rounds through that same revolver earlier in the day. Target practice. Completely unrelated to the filming of the movie.
Yep.
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He was the producer. He was responsible for overseeing the completely reckless safety practices on the set. The buck stops with him. And he pulled the damn trigger.
This is true. Just not sure legally what his culpability is, since there was an Amorer on set?
Posted on 8/21/22 at 9:07 am to thelawnwranglers
Because he appears to be a huge douche and a liberal asshat.
But, this board, who wants "real" facts and wants the media to "tell the truth", needs to see blood BECAUSE he IS all of what I wrote above. Most here are ideologues who don't really care as long as some Dem. has their comeuppance for disagreeing with them.
The same can be said for all those left-wing nuts who think every Republican should be prosecuted.
But, this board, who wants "real" facts and wants the media to "tell the truth", needs to see blood BECAUSE he IS all of what I wrote above. Most here are ideologues who don't really care as long as some Dem. has their comeuppance for disagreeing with them.
The same can be said for all those left-wing nuts who think every Republican should be prosecuted.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 9:09 am to Ponchy Tiger
It seems to me that they set up a situation where they could plausibly make it look like an accident. Except it doesn't look like an accident.
Anyone with any measure of responsibility about themselves would have shut that shite down with a quickness. I read awhile back that they actually had live rounds mixed in with blanks in ammo cases. That isn't just an accident. Imo someone did that deliberately so afterwards everyone could say they aren't responsible.
Well, ultimately the armorer and Baldwin are responsible. It's a travesty they both aren't already in jail.
Also, Baldwin should have already been sued for every damn penny he owns by both victims.
Anyone with any measure of responsibility about themselves would have shut that shite down with a quickness. I read awhile back that they actually had live rounds mixed in with blanks in ammo cases. That isn't just an accident. Imo someone did that deliberately so afterwards everyone could say they aren't responsible.
Well, ultimately the armorer and Baldwin are responsible. It's a travesty they both aren't already in jail.
Also, Baldwin should have already been sued for every damn penny he owns by both victims.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 9:12 am
Posted on 8/21/22 at 9:11 am to Revelator
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Involuntary manslaughter at worse.
Why?
This was more than a car accident. He pointed a loaded gun at someone and pulled the trigger. Negligent homicide should be the charge.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 9:13 am to Bham4Tide
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But, this board, who wants "real" facts and wants the media to "tell the truth", needs to see blood BECAUSE he IS all of what I wrote above. Most here are ideologues who don't really care as long as some Dem. has their comeuppance for disagreeing with them.
The same can be said for all those left-wing nuts who think every Republican should be prosecuted.
Politics has nothing to do with any of this.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 9:17 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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This is true. Just not sure legally what his culpability is, since there was an Amorer on set?
As an actor on the set, he saw firsthand the reckless safety practices that had already been noted by his actors during shooting. He himself acted recklessly. And again, in live fire scenes, the people behind the camera will be off to the side viewing through a laptop. And that includes when they're only firing blanks. If the scene calls for a firearm to be pointed at the camera, there isn't supposed to be anyone behind the camera.
Baldwin is guilty. Of negligent homicide at a minimum, 1st degree murder at worst.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 9:26 am to Penrod
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That is a terrible analogy, but I can make it work. If I am in my house, filming a movie that I am producing, and a professional armorer hands me a gun, saying, “This gun is not loaded”, and I shot someone with it I’d feel the same as what I posted above about Alec Baldwin.
As in my analogy, the person with the gun is responsible. If you're holding the literal smoking gun, you are responsible for any and all bullets that come out the business end. It's negligence. And the lady died so that negligence led to a homicide.
If I'm home cleaning a gun and, out of negligence, fail to check and clear the gun, send a round into my neighbors chest next door, I can't say "oops, thought it was unloaded".
Maybe he thought it was safe by the word of the armorer, but he pulled the hammer aimed and fired. You can be sympathetic but this guy killed someone out of negligence. Any one of us would be guilty of it no matter the circumstance. Ignorance is not a defense.
ETA I can't imagine you carry, know the risks, know the law or been through the training. Gun laws are gun laws.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 9:28 am
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