re: tOfficial Better Call Saul S06E08 “Point and Shoot”

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I don't know what lesson it taught Jimmy, since he went on to become full Saul. Seems like instead of teaching him a lesson it pushed him further down the wrong fork in the road.

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Again, I think some of y’all need to watch Breaking Bad again. Saul is a character, a costume that Jimmy puts on every day. And yeah, he’s sleazy, but I don’t think he’s anywhere near as terrible of a human as some of seem to think. Walt brought the meth business, Gus, and the cartel back into his life—he didn’t go searching for it. And we saw that once Walt got a hold of him, he wouldn’t let him go—Saul was back in the game. Which put him in a position to make some morally questionable ( ) choices. But they were done out of survival, not any sort of malevolence.

Saul becomes weak, not evil. And I think that weakness is even more evidence that Kim is not around in BB. She was his rock, who gave him strength to do things he never would have been able to without her (like bringing the money through the desert, being willing to sacrifice himself for her this episode by sending her out instead of him, etc…) He doesn’t have that in BB. So I’m not sure Jimmy ever really truly “becomes” Saul. Like I said, it’s a character, a costume or mask he puts on every day. But he’s still Jimmy underneath.

I don’t remember that scene. Do you recall which season/episode it was?

Referring to when Saul met Gus.

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I will say this could go either way and the Kim being vacuumed theory is in a 50/50 state for me at the moment.

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Although Kim still doesn't know who Gus is, I wonder if Gus's surprising disregard for Nacho's life despite Mike's pleas is setting him up to have some obsession over Kim being a threat or a loose end. Just a random thought, I only notice aobut 10% of the details of the show that many on this thread see.

Good point. Mike may insist Kim disappears, and takes it in his own hands, versus Gus having her clipped.

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Every time I watch an episode of BCS I just find myself wishing I was half as smart as all the people involved with this show

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I'm pretty much in awe of Vince Gilligan.

Came up with a really simple premise: dying HS chemistry teacher turns to cooking meth to support his family after he's gone...and turned that into all...all THIS. A whole universe with so many great subplots.

It's pure genius.

Regarding all the posts about Kim being done - this is the proof against Ham's theory. She is toast. He can ignore it if he wants, but he would see it too if he really tried.

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I really wonder if the guilt of Howards demise eats at Kim and what happens from that

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Kim is fried

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we had another nod to kim leaving without shoes (like from her past) and a toothbrush end quote being a nod to the 1 toothbrush in saul's mansion.

1) kim is the person saul tells francesca to call at that random time/date. meaning kim is not working with saul in BB they only talk 1x a year.

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After tonight, I think the guilt definitely gets to her and, she likely peace’s out in the middle of an upcoming night. She wants out of that life, but she also feels guilty for pushing the plan on Jimmy and putting his life in danger. I think J+K=S during BB is officially dead. Sorry bout you, Ham.

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Rewatching it now and noted Jimmy turned into Saul negotiating with Lalo to get Kim out of there.

Kim was a puddle of emotions.

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And this (below) was the biggest hint of all. Relating it back to only 1 toothbrush being there in the season opener, I think that proves Kim does not come back from this. It worked for Saul, but I don't think Kim was able to stop thinking about it and will never be able to get over it.

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'one day well brush our teeth and realize we haven't thought about it at all'

a very in your face toothbrush reference. saul only had 1 toothbrush in his house in the opener of the season.

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Only one page of Ham Solo in this thread?

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it is going to be a delight watching Ham's theory slowly tailspin and plummet to the ground over the next few weeks

Very cool.