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re: Concealed carry pistol.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 11:24 pm to ElDawgHawg
Posted on 6/25/22 at 11:24 pm to ElDawgHawg
Best suggestion is go shoot some guns and see what your most comfortable. I have gone through a bunch of CCW guns and settled on Springfield Hellcat. I shoot it better than the G43X. The Sig 365 is too small for my hands.
Guns are like suits. You have to find the one that fits you best.
Guns are like suits. You have to find the one that fits you best.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 11:28 pm to ElDawgHawg
Personally, but for most people I'd rec a small, single stack 9mm that's DAO or striker fired. Some of the better known 9mm single stack mag guns in this category are Kahr CW9/PM9/CM9, Ruger LC9/LC9s, Walther PPS M2, S&W M&P Shield, Springfield Armory XDs, Sig 365, Glock M43 and Beretta Nano. For those willing to adequately learn the SAO platform, I'd throw in the Sig 938/Kimber Micro 9/Springfield 911 9mm as well as a reliable 1911 (either Officer or Commander size). Most of these guns will be carried inside (or outside) the waistband; some of the smaller single stack 9mm's (like the CM9) can also be pocket carried in some pants. Remember that for IWB cc, you'll need to wear pants that are 1-2" bigger in the waist.
If you intend to cc outside the waistband (OWB), I'd look at the double stack mag guns. I started off w/ IWB cc, but now use OWB more of the time. In this category I'd include the various compact and mid-size Glocks, M&P's, XD's, Canik TP9 Elite SC and DAO Sig Sauers. Some like to cc a double stack gun IWB. I tried it for a while w/ my first cc gun (SA XD 40 S&W) before quickly realizing it was NOT for me.
I'm sure I've left off some good ones, but these are the first that come to my mind.
The main thing is to find a reliable gun that handles well for you. Glocks are VERY good guns, but they don't handle/point well for me. If you don't like the trigger, instead of modifying it I'd suggest getting a different gun that has a trigger you find acceptable. Also decide what type of features you want your gun to have. If you want an external safety lever, then it won't be a Glock. If you want a grip safety, your gun will have to be an 1911 or an XD/XDs. If possible, handle as many as you can before deciding on one.
Most importantly, you want a safe and reliable gun that you shoot well and is comfortable enough to carry so that you'll be willing to wear it. Keep us updated.
I didn't even mention revolvers since you've already settled on the 9mm, but forgot that Ruger actually chambers their fine LCR in 9mm.
If you intend to cc outside the waistband (OWB), I'd look at the double stack mag guns. I started off w/ IWB cc, but now use OWB more of the time. In this category I'd include the various compact and mid-size Glocks, M&P's, XD's, Canik TP9 Elite SC and DAO Sig Sauers. Some like to cc a double stack gun IWB. I tried it for a while w/ my first cc gun (SA XD 40 S&W) before quickly realizing it was NOT for me.
I'm sure I've left off some good ones, but these are the first that come to my mind.
The main thing is to find a reliable gun that handles well for you. Glocks are VERY good guns, but they don't handle/point well for me. If you don't like the trigger, instead of modifying it I'd suggest getting a different gun that has a trigger you find acceptable. Also decide what type of features you want your gun to have. If you want an external safety lever, then it won't be a Glock. If you want a grip safety, your gun will have to be an 1911 or an XD/XDs. If possible, handle as many as you can before deciding on one.
Most importantly, you want a safe and reliable gun that you shoot well and is comfortable enough to carry so that you'll be willing to wear it. Keep us updated.
I didn't even mention revolvers since you've already settled on the 9mm, but forgot that Ruger actually chambers their fine LCR in 9mm.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 2:12 am to Atlas_Shrugged
quote:
I carry a Glock 19 concealed everyday..trigger doesn’t squeeze itself.
This.
I don't understand how people don't grasp this. If you don't want your gun going off, don't pull the trigger. Everything else is false hope.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 5:55 am to Captain Rumbeard
I dont understand why people have a hard time grasping that its possible to accidently pull the trigger. In that case, an actual safety could save someone's life.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 6:28 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I dont understand why people have a hard time grasping that its possible to accidently pull the trigger. In that case, an actual safety could save someone's life.
I'm with you. With adrenaline flowing, and
chaos unfolding, touching a trigger on single action mode , such as a Da/Sa that has been fired once, or a 1911, one can accidently fire .
This why i carried the 4043 DAO until BR issued the Sigs.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 6:50 am to Royalfisher
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1. An automatic can actually be grabbed by the perp and the slide disabled
There is about a .00000000001 percent chance of that happening. NO ONE is grabbing the slide and taking it off the gun like in the movies. That is ridiculous.
If you push the slide up against someone’s body hard enough, it can take the slide out of battery not allowing the gun to fire but that also has a minuscule possibility of happening.
Don’t get me wrong, I carry a semi auto 99% of the time but from time to time I also grab a revolver. The great majority of those who carry concealed are carrying semi auto and the advantages of size + capacity are the reasons.
Everything I carry is ready to simply pull the trigger, no chambering needed; Sig 228, 365, 1911, Glock 30, M&P Shield. My 1911 requires me to swipe the safety off but it is already cocked with a round chambered.
I carry in good quality holsters so I’m not worried about an accidental discharge or the trigger getting accidentally pulled.
If your instructor thinks a .357 magnum doesn’t have considerable recoil and allows for faster follow up shots, then they obviously don’t have much experience with firearms. :SMH:
Sounds like your instructor was scared of his/her own shadow.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:06 am to ElDawgHawg
I primarily carry a P365 with the XL grip module but standard slide. The longer grip module provides a better grip for my hand.
I too tried the Hellcat before getting my 365 but the magazine pinched my hand where it went into the mag well. Great gun with a good track record, just not for me.
Occasionally will carry the Sig C3 1911 just because, but it is HEAVY.
Almost all of my carry guns are 9mm simply for standardization of ammo. Still shoot 10mm, 45 ACP, 38 and 357 as well but got rid of my 40 due to ammo cost and availability.
Shadow Systems produces very nice stuff and as long as it feels good and you can shoot it accurately, it will be a good choice.
If you have never carried before, the Glock might be a little scary at first. I carried mine with a round chambered and never worried about that but some don’t like Glocks for that reason or they carry chamber empty.
The truth is you will most likely end up buying 2-3 before setting on what you really want. But that is the fun part! And you will end up rotating what you carry based on several factors.
Good luck!
I too tried the Hellcat before getting my 365 but the magazine pinched my hand where it went into the mag well. Great gun with a good track record, just not for me.
Occasionally will carry the Sig C3 1911 just because, but it is HEAVY.
Almost all of my carry guns are 9mm simply for standardization of ammo. Still shoot 10mm, 45 ACP, 38 and 357 as well but got rid of my 40 due to ammo cost and availability.
Shadow Systems produces very nice stuff and as long as it feels good and you can shoot it accurately, it will be a good choice.
If you have never carried before, the Glock might be a little scary at first. I carried mine with a round chambered and never worried about that but some don’t like Glocks for that reason or they carry chamber empty.
The truth is you will most likely end up buying 2-3 before setting on what you really want. But that is the fun part! And you will end up rotating what you carry based on several factors.
Good luck!
Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:11 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I don't understand how a trigger gets pulled accidentally? Most people are not going to practice enough to become proficient with their weapon. In a crisis situation a big majority of people are not going to remember to take the safety off. With just a little training anyone can learn not to put their finger on the trigger until they're ready to fire the weapon, it takes a deliberate pull on the trigger for them to fire. JMO
I do not fault anyone for buying a pistol with a mechanical safety if that is what they want. Just do a little research and and try to fire a few different weapons before you decide.
I do not fault anyone for buying a pistol with a mechanical safety if that is what they want. Just do a little research and and try to fire a few different weapons before you decide.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:21 am to SpookeyTiger
After I got back from looking around I made some phone calls and have located a couple of the guns I looked at yesterday that buddies own. This coming week I’m going to shoot a few and see how they feel. My dad actually carries a Smith and Wesson MP shield which was one of my top 3 that felt comfortable to me. I’ll be shooting it Monday. Lots of good information on here. Thanks
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:11 am to ElDawgHawg
Ruger LC9.
9mm
7+1 single stack
Easy to carry
Recoil not as bad as you would expect considering its size
9mm
7+1 single stack
Easy to carry
Recoil not as bad as you would expect considering its size
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:37 am to Jiggy Moondust
quote:This is, hands down, the snappiest pistol I've ever shot.
I Cary a SW bodyguard 380.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 12:31 pm to oldskule
I wish this wouldnt get buried on the 2nd page, but there is something every single one of you need to know once you have a concealed carry permit.
If you are a concealed carry user, you feel the need to carry to protect yourself from bodily harm. That threat of bodily harm needs to be imminent, if you use your weapon in self defense. IF you use your weapon in self defense, I'm telling you guys from EXPIRENCE, you will be arrested unless they are breaking into your home. You will then go through questioning. You will then MORE THAN LIKELY still end up in court.
While in court, it will be asked if you multiple times, and different ways if you thought the threat of bodily harm was imminent, and if there was anything you can do to avoid having to use your weapon. If you even admit to having time to taking the weapon off of safety, you might get screwed. God forbid if you didnt carry one in the chamber and then decided to rack one in as intimidation, AS WELL AS TAKE THE WEAPON OFF OF SAFETY, you could be charged with murder.
I will NEVER own a weapon for concealed carry without one in the chamber, or with a manual safety, because once I pull my weapon out, I WILL BE USING IT. If I feel the threat is significant enough that I cant get away, or that I need to draw, shots will be fired.
Please, do your due diligence about other states laws and cases that have happened.
If you are a concealed carry user, you feel the need to carry to protect yourself from bodily harm. That threat of bodily harm needs to be imminent, if you use your weapon in self defense. IF you use your weapon in self defense, I'm telling you guys from EXPIRENCE, you will be arrested unless they are breaking into your home. You will then go through questioning. You will then MORE THAN LIKELY still end up in court.
While in court, it will be asked if you multiple times, and different ways if you thought the threat of bodily harm was imminent, and if there was anything you can do to avoid having to use your weapon. If you even admit to having time to taking the weapon off of safety, you might get screwed. God forbid if you didnt carry one in the chamber and then decided to rack one in as intimidation, AS WELL AS TAKE THE WEAPON OFF OF SAFETY, you could be charged with murder.
I will NEVER own a weapon for concealed carry without one in the chamber, or with a manual safety, because once I pull my weapon out, I WILL BE USING IT. If I feel the threat is significant enough that I cant get away, or that I need to draw, shots will be fired.
Please, do your due diligence about other states laws and cases that have happened.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 2:17 pm to Pauvetibete
They let that guy off in the Mandeville gas station. The hothead left the store, and went got in his truck. Instead of just locking the store doors, and waiting for MPD, The cc guy goes outside, starts writing down the hot head's license plate. Now, hothead is once again inflamed, and follows cop wannabe back into the store, no pistol of his own, and Mr cc kills him.
AND THEY LET THE GUY GO.
AND THEY LET THE GUY GO.
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 6/26/22 at 3:26 pm to ElDawgHawg
quote:
SIG P938/9mm - miniature 1911 IMO and has a 1911 style safety.
This. Ambi safety. Never jammed
Posted on 6/26/22 at 4:09 pm to Atlas_Shrugged
quote:
I carry a Glock 19 concealed everyday..trigger doesn’t squeeze itself.
And I agree with that statement....
However, a very young child can pick up a loaded GLock, and pull the trigger with no problem!
A child will not know to disengage a barrel bolt safety.
Trigger safeties are NOT safe for the inexperienced and young.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 4:37 pm to greenbean
You carry the pistol in a holster (that is made for that particular weapon) which covers the trigger, Then you don't fiddle with it.
There are literally millions of Glocks, M&P, and SIG pistols with no mechanical/external safeties, bought for self-defense purposes. There are even more millions of revolvers that don't have external safeties.
These things don't go "bang" unless you pull the trigger. But when you pull the trigger, they do go bang. That's a great system for a self-defense pistol.
There are literally millions of Glocks, M&P, and SIG pistols with no mechanical/external safeties, bought for self-defense purposes. There are even more millions of revolvers that don't have external safeties.
These things don't go "bang" unless you pull the trigger. But when you pull the trigger, they do go bang. That's a great system for a self-defense pistol.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 4:45 pm to Pauvetibete
quote:You are partly correct.
I will NEVER own a weapon for concealed carry without one in the chamber, or with a manual safety, because once I pull my weapon out, I WILL BE USING IT. If I feel the threat is significant enough that I cant get away, or that I need to draw, shots will be fired.
You draw if you reasonably believe that you or a third party (family member is about as far as this third party stuff should go) is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm.
But if you draw the pistol, and the person whose actions caused you to draw the gun drops his weapon, leaves or otherwise ceases to be a threat -- you have zero right to use deadly force.
So no one should have a mindset that says, "If I draw my pistol I'm going to be using it."
Posted on 6/26/22 at 6:14 pm to dawg23
I'm only drawing if I feel as if I am in imminent danger. You can do you, but if I draw, I feel like myself or someone else is going to die if I don't. If some punk wants my wallet, I'm not drawing. Dude can have my DL and 2 Credit Cards that I can put a stop on with 2 phone calls.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 6:19 pm to Pauvetibete
If he wants your wallet, tell him No. See what happens next.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:15 pm to Pauvetibete
quote:
If you are a concealed carry user, you feel the need to carry to protect yourself from bodily harm. That threat of bodily harm needs to be imminent, if you use your weapon in self defense. IF you use your weapon in self defense, I'm telling you guys from EXPIRENCE, you will be arrested unless they are breaking into your home. You will then go through questioning. You will then MORE THAN LIKELY still end up in court.
There has been many threads on TD.com about this very subject.
This cannot be emphasized enough. Most of the folks on the OB are aware of this.
There are many youtube, rumble...vids on this.
I have told family members, friends, and associates that IF deadly force is used, state ONLY your name, address to LEOs.
Then state you will gladly talk once you consult your lawyer.
Anything and everything you say can & will be used in a court of law.
That also includes your call to 911. Keep it very basic. Don't go into details because you are going to be very emotionally upset, you will probably throw-up as well.
You will not remember all the details you told LEOs and 911.
Oh yeah, spend that $500-1000 on a good pro-second amendment defense lawyer 'on retainer'.
Know their phone number by heart. Write it down and keep it in your wallet, write it down on your shoes...somewhere where you can access it. You may not be able to find your cell phone.
I know this is basic stuff but its so important. One could end up in prison and/or sued for everything they own & have to pay a huge settlement to the family of the perp.
A CC instructor will teach this to their students.
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