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The Uvalde received school shooting training 2 months ago; here are the findings

Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:15 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:15 pm
From Mike Baker’s Twitter

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I have spent the past few days researching the training of Uvalde officers, including the tactics they were expected to use to halt school shooters.

The documents are jarring. Here’s a thread of our findings so far.

In the past two years, the Uvalde school district has hosted at least two active-shooter training days. One of them was just two months ago.

The trainings included both classroom teachings and role-playing scenarios inside school hallways (below).

New York Times



The Uvalde training session 2 months ago relied on guidelines that give explicit expectations for officers responding to an active shooter.

The training is clear: Time is of the essence. The “first priority is to move in and confront the attacker.”

New York Times



But how should officers confront the gunman? With a tactical team? The training says that's probably not feasible, because the urgency is so high.

A SINGLE OFFICER, the training says, may need to confront the suspect on their own.



The guidelines provide sobering clarity: The first officers may be risking their lives. But, it says, innocent lives take priority.

“A first responder unwilling to place the lives of the innocent above their own safety should consider another career field."



The training expectations are obviously in stark contrast to what we are seeing in Uvalde. Police officials have said that officers were reluctant to engage the gunman because “they could’ve been shot.”

The guidelines actually provide scenarios in which officers are shot, including one modeled after the Santa Fe High School shooting, also in Texas.

The scenario explains that if one officer is shot, the second “is expected to go on responding solo.”



New York Times

We are continuing to scrutinize the Uvalde response. Meanwhile, here’s a look at nationwide training for active shooters.

“If you know children are being murdered, why do you wait? Get in there.”


All 19 of those officers outside the door should arrested immediately, tried, and punished to the fullest extent of the law. We need to salt the earth with this cowardly police department.
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 9:44 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:16 pm to
As a football coach once said:

Your Jimmies and Joes are more important than your X’s and O’s.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
23836 posts
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:16 pm to
This whole thing is insanely bizarre. I honestly can’t comprehend how they thought it was acceptable to just stand out there for an hour.
Posted by TheGenyus
Member since May 2022
94 posts
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:17 pm to
Wait till they start digging on the violence prevention AI software the school district was using...
Posted by Cymry Teigr
Member since Sep 2012
2120 posts
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:17 pm to
It’s amazing how all of a sudden this board has gone from the opinion that the NYT is trash to quoting every single article the NYT publishes about it.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:20 pm to
I’m not a big conspiracy guy, but I’ll be damned if what’s coming out about their response isn’t making me reconsider.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22282 posts
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:23 pm to
They are going to be sued into oblivion.
Posted by OWLFAN86
Erotic Novelist
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Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:29 pm to
the Uvalde...?

ISD police,, LEO, Police....
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
30571 posts
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:29 pm to
Undoubtedly, we’re going to learn a lot about tactical trainings and SOP’s in the next few weeks.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
29888 posts
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:30 pm to
But we need to hire retired police and soldiers to stand guard at every school lol. A whole police force is scared to engage but a single retired guy will definitely.
Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
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Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:39 pm to
quote:

The training is clear: Time is of the essence. The “first priority is to move in and confront the attacker.”

This only applies when fake bullets are used.
Posted by TigerCop89
Member since Sep 2015
190 posts
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:40 pm to
Having done this training multiple times, it's so appalling how they reacted in the complete opposite way. There are so many scenarios that are gone through, that expressly teach you to go towards the fight immediately and don't stage or wait for backup. What were they thinking? Why didn't they care?
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15766 posts
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:54 pm to
quote:

All 19 of those officers outside the door should arrested immediately, tried, and punished to the fullest extent of the law.


Didn’t their CO tell them to not move in?
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
38281 posts
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:54 pm to
The cops are looking worse and worse every article that’s published.
Posted by John88
Member since Sep 2015
6284 posts
Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:26 pm to
Where’s the part where they wait for an hour while kids get murdered in a bloodbath?
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
7132 posts
Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:29 pm to
I dont understand how the massive data collection thats pretty much prevented another 9/11 style attack isnt being used to subvert these mass shootings.
Posted by AmosMosesAndTwins
Lake Charles
Member since Apr 2010
18084 posts
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:14 pm to
quote:

Suspect will give an angle for the officer to fire from the hallway.
Posted by TchoupitoulasTiger
NOLA
Member since May 2011
1259 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:18 am to
4 pages into this thread and no one has pointed out that it was actually US Customs & Boarder Control that actually took the shooter out.

I’m gonna make an educated guess and say that they probably don’t train as often as a local PD does for this sorta thing, yet still managed to figure out how to take him out.
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
20305 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 8:05 am to
Holy shite, what a bunch of low life’s at the New York Times to have published those training manuals!

Not that it’s top secret stuff, but police tactics in active shooter trainings are known to be STUDIED by sociopathic, nihilistic, “news splash” killers. It is irresponsible to publish those manuals especially when summaries would have been sufficient.

And nothing they published is the gotcha they think it is.

It is not unreasonable to imagine that the responding officers had come to believe that the situation had changed into a barricade with hostage situation, and that waiting for shields and a fireman’s hook seemed more prudent. Especially since they were receiving rounds through the door already.

It’s reasonable to believe their narrative that the situation was such that to attempt to breach the door without those tools wasn’t just “risking their lives”, but an absolute turkey shoot for the killer, causing more problems with downed officers blocking the doorway.

It must have been a fricking horror show.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
30527 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:39 am to
What a fricking shitshow of cowardly incompetence.
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