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The Uvalde received school shooting training 2 months ago; here are the findings
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:15 pm
From Mike Baker’s Twitter
All 19 of those officers outside the door should arrested immediately, tried, and punished to the fullest extent of the law. We need to salt the earth with this cowardly police department.
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I have spent the past few days researching the training of Uvalde officers, including the tactics they were expected to use to halt school shooters.
The documents are jarring. Here’s a thread of our findings so far.
In the past two years, the Uvalde school district has hosted at least two active-shooter training days. One of them was just two months ago.
The trainings included both classroom teachings and role-playing scenarios inside school hallways (below).
New York Times
The Uvalde training session 2 months ago relied on guidelines that give explicit expectations for officers responding to an active shooter.
The training is clear: Time is of the essence. The “first priority is to move in and confront the attacker.”
New York Times
But how should officers confront the gunman? With a tactical team? The training says that's probably not feasible, because the urgency is so high.
A SINGLE OFFICER, the training says, may need to confront the suspect on their own.
The guidelines provide sobering clarity: The first officers may be risking their lives. But, it says, innocent lives take priority.
“A first responder unwilling to place the lives of the innocent above their own safety should consider another career field."
The training expectations are obviously in stark contrast to what we are seeing in Uvalde. Police officials have said that officers were reluctant to engage the gunman because “they could’ve been shot.”
The guidelines actually provide scenarios in which officers are shot, including one modeled after the Santa Fe High School shooting, also in Texas.
The scenario explains that if one officer is shot, the second “is expected to go on responding solo.”
New York Times
We are continuing to scrutinize the Uvalde response. Meanwhile, here’s a look at nationwide training for active shooters.
“If you know children are being murdered, why do you wait? Get in there.”
All 19 of those officers outside the door should arrested immediately, tried, and punished to the fullest extent of the law. We need to salt the earth with this cowardly police department.
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:16 pm to OMLandshark
As a football coach once said:
Your Jimmies and Joes are more important than your X’s and O’s.
Your Jimmies and Joes are more important than your X’s and O’s.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:16 pm to OMLandshark
This whole thing is insanely bizarre. I honestly can’t comprehend how they thought it was acceptable to just stand out there for an hour.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:17 pm to OMLandshark
Wait till they start digging on the violence prevention AI software the school district was using...
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:17 pm to OMLandshark
It’s amazing how all of a sudden this board has gone from the opinion that the NYT is trash to quoting every single article the NYT publishes about it.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:20 pm to OMLandshark
I’m not a big conspiracy guy, but I’ll be damned if what’s coming out about their response isn’t making me reconsider.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:23 pm to OMLandshark
They are going to be sued into oblivion.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:29 pm to OMLandshark
the Uvalde...?
ISD police,, LEO, Police....
ISD police,, LEO, Police....
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:29 pm to OMLandshark
Undoubtedly, we’re going to learn a lot about tactical trainings and SOP’s in the next few weeks.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:30 pm to OMLandshark
But we need to hire retired police and soldiers to stand guard at every school lol. A whole police force is scared to engage but a single retired guy will definitely.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:39 pm to OMLandshark
quote:
The training is clear: Time is of the essence. The “first priority is to move in and confront the attacker.”
This only applies when fake bullets are used.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:40 pm to OMLandshark
Having done this training multiple times, it's so appalling how they reacted in the complete opposite way. There are so many scenarios that are gone through, that expressly teach you to go towards the fight immediately and don't stage or wait for backup. What were they thinking? Why didn't they care?
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:54 pm to OMLandshark
quote:
All 19 of those officers outside the door should arrested immediately, tried, and punished to the fullest extent of the law.
Didn’t their CO tell them to not move in?
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:54 pm to OMLandshark
The cops are looking worse and worse every article that’s published.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:26 pm to OMLandshark
Where’s the part where they wait for an hour while kids get murdered in a bloodbath?
Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:29 pm to OMLandshark
I dont understand how the massive data collection thats pretty much prevented another 9/11 style attack isnt being used to subvert these mass shootings.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:14 pm to OMLandshark
quote:
Suspect will give an angle for the officer to fire from the hallway.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:18 am to OMLandshark
4 pages into this thread and no one has pointed out that it was actually US Customs & Boarder Control that actually took the shooter out.
I’m gonna make an educated guess and say that they probably don’t train as often as a local PD does for this sorta thing, yet still managed to figure out how to take him out.
I’m gonna make an educated guess and say that they probably don’t train as often as a local PD does for this sorta thing, yet still managed to figure out how to take him out.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 8:05 am to OMLandshark
Holy shite, what a bunch of low life’s at the New York Times to have published those training manuals!
Not that it’s top secret stuff, but police tactics in active shooter trainings are known to be STUDIED by sociopathic, nihilistic, “news splash” killers. It is irresponsible to publish those manuals especially when summaries would have been sufficient.
And nothing they published is the gotcha they think it is.
It is not unreasonable to imagine that the responding officers had come to believe that the situation had changed into a barricade with hostage situation, and that waiting for shields and a fireman’s hook seemed more prudent. Especially since they were receiving rounds through the door already.
It’s reasonable to believe their narrative that the situation was such that to attempt to breach the door without those tools wasn’t just “risking their lives”, but an absolute turkey shoot for the killer, causing more problems with downed officers blocking the doorway.
It must have been a fricking horror show.
Not that it’s top secret stuff, but police tactics in active shooter trainings are known to be STUDIED by sociopathic, nihilistic, “news splash” killers. It is irresponsible to publish those manuals especially when summaries would have been sufficient.
And nothing they published is the gotcha they think it is.
It is not unreasonable to imagine that the responding officers had come to believe that the situation had changed into a barricade with hostage situation, and that waiting for shields and a fireman’s hook seemed more prudent. Especially since they were receiving rounds through the door already.
It’s reasonable to believe their narrative that the situation was such that to attempt to breach the door without those tools wasn’t just “risking their lives”, but an absolute turkey shoot for the killer, causing more problems with downed officers blocking the doorway.
It must have been a fricking horror show.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:39 am to OMLandshark
What a fricking shitshow of cowardly incompetence.
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