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Smallish caliber pistol
Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:43 pm
Any of you have a somewhat readily available model of pistol that you or your lady really like? My wife is a teacher and this latest school shooting has her on edge (I’d dismiss it with anyone else, but her brother was killed in a home invasion ten years ago). I’m gonna take her to our local gun shop and the local academy tomorrow and see what feels best to her. She shoots my old school cowboy revolver really well when we go to the range so I’m leaning hard towards the revolver. I’d appreciate it if y’all could make a few specific recommendations. I’ve been looking online at Taurus, Ruger, S&W. Thanks guys (and girls).
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:04 pm to Dave_O
Sig just put out a .380 P365. Might be one to look at if you want smaller than 9mm.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:04 pm to Dave_O
Get revolvers out of your head, a small revolver shoots nothing like a cowboy action revolver. A modern .380/9mm semi auto pistol plus training is the way to go.
I would personally not let YOU or the salesman give her any leaning to what pistol to get. Let her hold a bunch and pick out what she likes. When you get it narrowed down let her go shoot them.
Best thing that can happen is for her to pick it out and like it.
I would personally not let YOU or the salesman give her any leaning to what pistol to get. Let her hold a bunch and pick out what she likes. When you get it narrowed down let her go shoot them.
Best thing that can happen is for her to pick it out and like it.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:08 pm to Dave_O
I agree with staying away from revolver. My wife would not listen to me and kept hearing her idiot dad say use a revolver. She finally went to shoot one and the recoil, size etc. scared the shite out of her. Start her with something in a larger frame for sure.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:09 pm to Dave_O
Whatever she is comfortable with
Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:17 pm to Dave_O
Micro is not where you should start out.
Wife has shot all my guns from my 380lcp to my g20 10mm and she likes my g17 glock the most. She carries a g43 and shoots it well but would rather shoot full size if shooting several hundred rounds.
Small guns are snappy and hard to shoot and née shooters lose confidence.
Either way you need to let her try a few and see what she like best then she needs to shoot it a lot and handle it a lot and get in a mindset of using it.
Wife has shot all my guns from my 380lcp to my g20 10mm and she likes my g17 glock the most. She carries a g43 and shoots it well but would rather shoot full size if shooting several hundred rounds.
Small guns are snappy and hard to shoot and née shooters lose confidence.
Either way you need to let her try a few and see what she like best then she needs to shoot it a lot and handle it a lot and get in a mindset of using it.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:26 pm to Dave_O
Smallish caliber. No. Revolver, 38 short barrel is easy but Glock 43 9mm is better.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:43 pm to Dave_O
If she likes a revolver then 38spl would be fine. I like revolvers unlike many here. But like others said, with just a little practice, a 380 or 9mm would be better than a small revolver. Small revolvers are harder to shoot IMO.
I have a Taurus 605, it’s a light snubnose. It’s great for carrying due to it’s size and weight but I can’t hit shite with it.
I have a Taurus 605, it’s a light snubnose. It’s great for carrying due to it’s size and weight but I can’t hit shite with it.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:42 am to Dave_O
I am a firearms instructor and teach a lot of ladies. I bring out several pistols for them to try out and invaribly the most popular is the S&W Shield EZ 380. Easy to load the mag, easy to rack the slide, easy to work the controls, very ergonomic, relatively light, mid sized, low recoil in an effective caliber. Another similar pistol is the Walther CCP M2 in 380.
I heartily second the suggestion to have her try several before you buy. I also agree to stay away from revolvers. Beside the recoil, the big issue most miss is heavy trigger pull in double action mode, which is how they were designed to be used in a defensive mode. More than half of the ladies I have trained cannot pull the trigger at all in DA mode and the other half could not come close to hitting the target while pulling the DA trigger. Some would say "well just cock the hammer". While that does work, it makes the trigger a very light almost hair trigger where under stress someone could shoot someone that is backing off and does not "need" to be shot.
Last suggestion is get her some good training. And remember that a man should never try to train his wife with a firearm. It will turn out much better if someone else does.
I heartily second the suggestion to have her try several before you buy. I also agree to stay away from revolvers. Beside the recoil, the big issue most miss is heavy trigger pull in double action mode, which is how they were designed to be used in a defensive mode. More than half of the ladies I have trained cannot pull the trigger at all in DA mode and the other half could not come close to hitting the target while pulling the DA trigger. Some would say "well just cock the hammer". While that does work, it makes the trigger a very light almost hair trigger where under stress someone could shoot someone that is backing off and does not "need" to be shot.
Last suggestion is get her some good training. And remember that a man should never try to train his wife with a firearm. It will turn out much better if someone else does.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:37 am to Dave_O
Did this a few years back with my wife, also a school teacher. The Smith and Wesson 380 M&P Shield EZ is something she can operate, has the handle grip safety, as well. Very accurate shooting at the range. comfortable in her hand, easy to rack ammo, and large enough capacity magazine to handle misses if nervous having to protect herself.
It sucks that she is so clumsy and lost it while boating.
It sucks that she is so clumsy and lost it while boating.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:57 am to Dave_O
Sig P238 (.380) is a great little pistol - but getting a bit harder to find, especially since Sig came out with the 320 in .380.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 4:32 pm to Dave_O
25 cal. Easy to shoot. Accurate. Fits small hands well and no recoil. She can fire off 3 quick rounds into a man’s face if she needed to.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:10 pm to Dave_O
I'm a firearm instructor and have been teaching for nearly a decade. Every female in my classes starts on a full sized 9mm. The fan favorites are my wife's HK VP9 and my S&W M&P9c 2.0. They have slim grips but still have all the attributes of a full sized gun. I'll quote a post I made/bookmarked about 7 years ago.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=58237860&s=2&p=58233872#58237860
Won't post the whole thing here but full sized 9mm for ANY new shooter - period. There is no advantage to making a gun smaller other than something you plan to conceal on your body. Your wife should be using an overhand grip to rack the gun (thumb pointed in her chest, slide pinched between base of palm and fingertips) anyway and she will utilize large muscle groups instead of small ones to work the slide. A full sized gun will have a lighter and longer recoil spring that will make it easier.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=58237860&s=2&p=58233872#58237860
Won't post the whole thing here but full sized 9mm for ANY new shooter - period. There is no advantage to making a gun smaller other than something you plan to conceal on your body. Your wife should be using an overhand grip to rack the gun (thumb pointed in her chest, slide pinched between base of palm and fingertips) anyway and she will utilize large muscle groups instead of small ones to work the slide. A full sized gun will have a lighter and longer recoil spring that will make it easier.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:22 am to Dave_O
A lot of recommendations .380... I’ve watched a bunch of videos by Paul Harrell that show that .380 bullets don’t expand very well. Especially, out of short barreled guns. I still wouldn’t want to get hit by one, but I think 9mm is the sweet spot for recoil and effectiveness.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 12:22 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:54 am to Dave_O
Like many have said here, don't let anyone else tell her what to get or not get (Including revolvers)
The best personal defense firearm for her is going to be the one she's comfortable with and the one she's willing to train with routinely.
The first thing she should do is think about what her expectations will be for needing this firearm.
Personal defense is a broad category. What are her expectations for needing it and as much as we would like to prepare for every possible situation we can't in our normal civilian lives.
I'm not a teacher but perhaps if I were I would be thinking along the line of being the last line of defense for myself and my students. What that would look like to me might be to stay in the class in a close quarters area with limited access to get in to us so I could focus my attention (fire power) to maybe that one point, increasing my shot/hit ratio. Probably not out roaming the halls on offense where threats may come at longer distance and from one of multiple directions. I would likely want something with as high of a caliber as I could accurately engage a threat out to a max of 20 feet or so. Personally I would feel comfortable with my Ruger Sp101 .357 and 1 extra speed loader in that situation, but that me with my experience and training. Definitely not what everyone would be comfortable with.
And while she's thinking about type and caliber of firearm it's a good idea to think about every conceivable problem that could arise with that firearm. (Shooting as many different types as possible is the best way to not only decide if that type is right for you but it opens your eyes to possible problems that you may not have other wise considered if you didn't have a chance to handle it. For me the SP101 offers more than enough stopping power and greatly reduced possibility for malfunction in the scenario above, but again that just me.
Anyway good luck and don't rush the decision, If she ends up getting something she's not comfortable with she's not going to train properly with it then it wont matter what type and caliber she has.
The best personal defense firearm for her is going to be the one she's comfortable with and the one she's willing to train with routinely.
The first thing she should do is think about what her expectations will be for needing this firearm.
Personal defense is a broad category. What are her expectations for needing it and as much as we would like to prepare for every possible situation we can't in our normal civilian lives.
I'm not a teacher but perhaps if I were I would be thinking along the line of being the last line of defense for myself and my students. What that would look like to me might be to stay in the class in a close quarters area with limited access to get in to us so I could focus my attention (fire power) to maybe that one point, increasing my shot/hit ratio. Probably not out roaming the halls on offense where threats may come at longer distance and from one of multiple directions. I would likely want something with as high of a caliber as I could accurately engage a threat out to a max of 20 feet or so. Personally I would feel comfortable with my Ruger Sp101 .357 and 1 extra speed loader in that situation, but that me with my experience and training. Definitely not what everyone would be comfortable with.
And while she's thinking about type and caliber of firearm it's a good idea to think about every conceivable problem that could arise with that firearm. (Shooting as many different types as possible is the best way to not only decide if that type is right for you but it opens your eyes to possible problems that you may not have other wise considered if you didn't have a chance to handle it. For me the SP101 offers more than enough stopping power and greatly reduced possibility for malfunction in the scenario above, but again that just me.
Anyway good luck and don't rush the decision, If she ends up getting something she's not comfortable with she's not going to train properly with it then it wont matter what type and caliber she has.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:26 am to Dave_O
If she is going to put the time in on the range and learn how to clear jams, etc., then look at a semi auto.
If she will not do that, and is just going to put it in her purse, car, etc., a revolver is best. It doesn't fail, you pull the trigger, it goes pew, very simple and reliable.
If she will not do that, and is just going to put it in her purse, car, etc., a revolver is best. It doesn't fail, you pull the trigger, it goes pew, very simple and reliable.
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