re: Roe opponents, what do you really, really want?

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Would you be content with reversal of Roe, or do you want an Amendment to the US Constitution to prohibit abortion?

In other words, do you simply believe that it is a federalism issue, with each state to chart its own course? Or do you want to impose your views nationwide?

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It's a complex issue for me, not the morality of abortion that's clear. But, I want abortion to be illegal in every state in the Union, but I also believe in states rights. The state has the constitutional authority to pass laws to criminalize abortion, it shouldn't be done on a federal level. However there are left leaning states that will make abortion legal till birth and maybe even after birth. I don't want that. So I would consider the federal route if that is the only option.

Is abortion specifically assigned to the federal government in the Constitution?

No?

Then it's a Tenth Amendment issue, and there should be 50 different solutions.

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You know what happened prior to RvW? Coat hanger. Actual babies in dumpsters. Things like that.


Or…….the government could not come between a woman and her doctor and allow safe abortions to end a pregnancy while it's early and not developed into an actual child but rather just a fetus (I’m against the states that allow it all the way up until birth though unless for whatever reason the mother's health became in danger for whatever reason).

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So how the abortion is committed should determine the law?

If abortion is murder, which is clearly is in my mind, it should be illegal no matter what happens when it is illegal.

That’s like saying people are going to murder anyway why not make it legal to somehow make it safer.

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Correct. You have to weigh that with how unbearable you find your particular state government.

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So again, it disproportionality effects poorer people.

Not to mention there aren’t many examples of state rights battles that aren’t just some fight to be able to suppress Minorities.

Slavery, segregation, anti gay laws, anti-gay marriage.

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So again, it disproportionality effects poorer people.

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And? Life isn't fair. You don't have an unmitigated right to dictate policy where you live.

We’re not talking about life we’re talking about law and government which should at least try and be fair

Why would you support an unfair system of government?

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Differing regulatory frameworks are much more significant in reality than any of that shite in the present day.

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Like? I know there are examples of mundane issues but they usually aren’t hotly debated or really cared about.

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Why would you support an unfair system of government?

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You mean one where the laws are skewed toward people defined as "poor"? Which generally is racially based?

So the extermination of millions of babies in exchange for POSSIBLY avoiding some illegal procedures? Illegal and unsafe abortions still happen, btw. What other atrocious crimes should we make legal in order to mask a cultural problem?

In 1972, immediately prior to Roe, about 130K abortions occurred in the US. Today, that number is over 600K annually. You've traded a relatively small number of illegal abortions for a pandemic of death. Nearly 20% of pregnancies in the US are aborted. in 1972, it was 3%. a small percentage of women sought out abortion, but the vast majority took responsibility for their sexual choices and raised these precious children. We also saw a precipitous drop in adoption rates post-Roe. Today, childless families have to go to Asia, pay exorbitant amounts of money, or sit on a waiting list for years to have the gift of children.