re: Roe opponents, what do you really, really want?

I am challenging the assertion that the laws don’t favor the rich, the people who pay for congress.

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That's only true if the poor are inherently dispositioned to break the law. Is that what you're saying? My family has not been historically well off. Not a lot of crime in my family. Wonder what the difference is?

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There are other Laws besides criminal laws (which absolutely disproportionately effect the poor. Try fighting a wrongful charge while broke)

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You made the premise. You stated laws impact the poor more.

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I did make the premise and I didn't Limit it to criminal laws.

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Know what I've seen working in prison? LOTS of recidivism. Same guys going in and out. it's a culture.

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Ok… and?

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I've never been wrongfully accused of a crime. I don't hang around with criminals opening myself to accusations. Most of the guys "wrongfully" accused are just caught for the wrong thing. They were already guilty of something and lifelong criminals.

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Great basis for a criminal justice system. “If you didn’t do it you probably did something else”

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Excellent basis. You run with dogs you're going to catch fleas. Don't whine about getting shaved afterward. These aren't innocent people. I'm not a fan of government abuse, but these are lifelong criminals in most cases. Making some blanket generalization is cool, but the specific details skew the other way.

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You’re literally arguing that you shouldnt actually have to be guilty of a crime to be convicted. I agree Prison rarely makes people better people, but maybe not sending innocent people there is not agood idea.

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Everyone follows the same laws. Kjowledge of those laws is an advantage not exclusive to the rich, but it is exclusive to those who take the time to learn them.

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Again, you are arguing FOR people who didn’t break the law to go to jail.

Also ignoring that rich people can break the law and if they have a good enough lawyer they will get a lower sentence or off completely. How fast is Robert Durst in jail if his net worth was 10 Dollars?

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each state to chart its own course

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The answer is always this.

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No I'm literally arguing that being convicted in a court of law is based on evidence. Not my fault if you amass the evidence against yourself doing other things you weren't convicted of. I also guarentee you have no functioning alternative. You just want to whine about poor dindinuffin.

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1. None of that is true. 2. If there was. Ton of evidence of other crimes than you would just be convicted of those crimes. 3. You are ignoring the fact that people are wrongfully convicted often on witness testimony.

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And again, when you get done pissing yourself and misconstruing my arguments, I'm arguing that the system is not skewed against the poor but against those who would rather spend their time breaking the law than bettering themselves.

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Are you better off with our without a lawyer?
Innocent or Guilty?

Are you better with with a highly paid lawyer?

Is there a public defenders office in the country That has anywhere near the funding per case as their counterpart DAs office?

Not to mention if you are convicted how having a lawyer who has time to work on your case will effect your sentence.

And that’s still your dumb arse ignoring any other law

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But to you’re point, yes. Wouldn’t that be fair? Wouldn’t some sorta of consistency with a federal right be good?

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I don't care for the word "fair" as it's entirely too malleable, but it would be consistent. If they're going to protect imagined rights at the federal level they should at least protect rights actually specified in the Constitution.

I'd rather do away with most of that crap but it doesn't look like it's going to happen. I believe in freedom of association.

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You know what happened prior to RvW? Coat hanger. Actual babies in dumpsters. Things like that.

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Okay. So what? Murder is illegal yet it happens every day. Outlawing abortion won’t out and out stop abortion. However, criminalizing it will make both the doctor and the woman perhaps think twice before murdering the baby in the womb.

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It’s not an abortion when you are performing that type of procedure. The purpose of an abortion is the direct and purposeful killing of an unborn child. The purpose of the procedure we are discussing is saving the life of the woman. The death of the child is an indirect but inevitable result.

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But under the proposed Louisiana law the exception you think exists does not. That doctor is guilty of homicide.