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re: Roe opponents, what do you really, really want?
Posted on 5/5/22 at 7:50 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 5/5/22 at 7:50 pm to AggieHank86
What do I really want? One nation united by a deep faith in God with abortion being unthinkable. What do I think I can reasonably hope for? Overturning Roe and letting the states decide. My state will ban abortion as will most neighboring states. I can live with that.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:26 pm to AggieHank86
Federalism.
I don't give a damn about abortion one way or the other.
The "abortion is murder" nuts are just as bad as the "my body/my choice" crowd when it comes to wanting to impose their views nationwide.
I don't give a damn about abortion one way or the other.
The "abortion is murder" nuts are just as bad as the "my body/my choice" crowd when it comes to wanting to impose their views nationwide.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:28 pm to AggieHank86
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do you want an Amendment to the US Constitution to prohibit abortion?
Why would we need this? Just treat it like the murder that it is and try the abortionists for their crimes.
I guess if we have to have a constitutional amendment to criminalize killing babies, then I absolutely support it.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:14 pm to AggieHank86
I’m against abortion all together and glad it is over. I think states should make their own laws regarding it
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:16 pm to AggieHank86
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Or do you want to impose your views nationwide?
You're such an intellectual lightweight douche.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:46 pm to AggieHank86
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this IS a federalism question and that it should be answered in each state, for the residents of that state.
There you go but let it be known I am staunchly against abortion and would vote against any laws or measures to allow it.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:53 pm to AggieHank86
Should a woman be allowed to terminate an ectopic pregnancy? Under that proposed bill she would be guilty of homicide. Sorry but that doesn’t seem right.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 10:10 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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In other words, do you simply believe that it is a federalism issue, with each state to chart its own course?
This is my stance.
Ding!
Posted on 5/5/22 at 10:31 pm to VADawg
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For some reason, leftists don't like this.
Well, most leftists are Democrats, who, by definition, believe in the federal government having more say in these sorts of things.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 10:41 pm to AggieHank86
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AggieHank86
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I specifically referenced a new Amendment.
Pray tell, oh enlightened one, specifically who would amend the Constitution to outlaw abortions? Wha??? The fricking federal government?
I don’t know about your eyes and ears bleeding, but your vagina sure is.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 10:56 pm to AggieHank86
I’m perfectly content overturning Roe on the basis that it was a nonsensical ruling and returning the issue to the states. Front there I’m ok with whatever each state decides, though I admittedly have a visceral disgust as a parent of the entire concept of abortion for convenience.
The bottom line is we have a system where the states where meant to make the vast majority of policy decisions for themselves with minimal federal oversight. This gives the people more of a voice and also gives people choice. You can move to the places that most fit with your values.
The bottom line is we have a system where the states where meant to make the vast majority of policy decisions for themselves with minimal federal oversight. This gives the people more of a voice and also gives people choice. You can move to the places that most fit with your values.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 11:13 pm to Froman
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Well, most leftists are Democrats, who, by definition, believe in the federal government having more say in these sorts of things
When they like what the federal government is saying, sure. They’d shite a brick if the Feds mandated that all states will respect firearm rights just like Alabama or Georgia.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 11:25 pm to Flats
quote:really.
Since civil rights are a federal issue it would be consistent to protect life at a federal level.
It's way easier to argue a constitutional right to life for an unborn baby than it is a right to take that life. Re: constitutionality
Posted on 5/5/22 at 11:40 pm to AggieHank86
I believe that we should prosecute all murders, including those of the innocent and defenseless unborn.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 11:50 pm to AggieHank86
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other words, do you simply believe that it is a federalism issue, with each state to chart its own course?
Yes.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 11:52 pm to Roger Klarvin
TLDR version: Abortion is disgusting, but it's a necessary evil and should be left to the states.
Long version:
I view abortion as being morally and ethically disgusting based on my own values and beliefs. Growing up in a God-fearing household, I believe than anyone who has gotten an abortion for illegitimate reasons will have to answer to a higher power one day. That's on them and their conscience. I view legitimate reasons to have an abortion as the child being a product of rape/incest or the pregnancy will have drastic negative impacts on the health of the mother.
However, the problem going forward in my mind is that there is going to be an EXPLOSION of single-mother/parent households. I'm a very strong believer that the degradation of the nuclear family is the root cause of MOST societal issues we are facing today.
These are people that can not afford, nor are mature enough, to raise another human and are all of a sudden thrust into that role. Sure, they could "grow up" and "accept responsibility" for their actions, but that attitude I find to be unrealistic. They most likely weren't ever taught accountability from their single-parent home. It's a vicious cycle in typically lower income areas, no matter urban or rural, nor whatever their race/ethnicity. What is going to happen is the burden of providing for these unwanted children will be passed onto the tax payers through expansions in government subsidies and welfare programs. THATS what I have a bigger issue with. Leave it up to the individual states.
Haven't really thought this through, but there has to be a way to incentivize adoption of these unplanned or unwanted children by other Americans. Make a concerted effort to push adoption of an American child rather than from abroad, especially for those that can't afford the IVF process.
Long version:
I view abortion as being morally and ethically disgusting based on my own values and beliefs. Growing up in a God-fearing household, I believe than anyone who has gotten an abortion for illegitimate reasons will have to answer to a higher power one day. That's on them and their conscience. I view legitimate reasons to have an abortion as the child being a product of rape/incest or the pregnancy will have drastic negative impacts on the health of the mother.
However, the problem going forward in my mind is that there is going to be an EXPLOSION of single-mother/parent households. I'm a very strong believer that the degradation of the nuclear family is the root cause of MOST societal issues we are facing today.
These are people that can not afford, nor are mature enough, to raise another human and are all of a sudden thrust into that role. Sure, they could "grow up" and "accept responsibility" for their actions, but that attitude I find to be unrealistic. They most likely weren't ever taught accountability from their single-parent home. It's a vicious cycle in typically lower income areas, no matter urban or rural, nor whatever their race/ethnicity. What is going to happen is the burden of providing for these unwanted children will be passed onto the tax payers through expansions in government subsidies and welfare programs. THATS what I have a bigger issue with. Leave it up to the individual states.
Haven't really thought this through, but there has to be a way to incentivize adoption of these unplanned or unwanted children by other Americans. Make a concerted effort to push adoption of an American child rather than from abroad, especially for those that can't afford the IVF process.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 11:54 pm to DandA
Agreed for the most part
The dirty secret of abortion is that the more the right reigns it in, the more people/voters that oppose it will be produced. And thus those on the right are left in quite the moral dilemma.
The dirty secret of abortion is that the more the right reigns it in, the more people/voters that oppose it will be produced. And thus those on the right are left in quite the moral dilemma.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 11:57 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The dirty secret of abortion is that the more the right reigns it in, the more people/voters that oppose it will be produced. And thus those on the right are left in quite the moral dilemma.
100% agree. Forcing dependence on government to survive = votes for the party that promotes government expansion.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 12:52 am to AggieHank86
quote:I want Roe, which stands as the most egregious example of judicial overreach and just making crap up from the bench in the history of the country, to go down in flames and kick the decision back to the legislatures, which the supreme court in the 70s completely usurped. And I want to revel in the fact the RGB is going to help with that with her criticisms of the way the decision came about, despite her not having the integrity to state she would vote to repeal it and do it again the right way because she liked the end result despite the process being completely fricked. And I want abortion as birth control to stop, so probably 90+% of it
Roe opponents, what do you really, really want?
This post was edited on 5/6/22 at 12:53 am
Posted on 5/6/22 at 2:06 am to AggieHank86
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
This could be a Federal issue if one side or the other has the votes... Otherwise, it's a state issue.
This could be a Federal issue if one side or the other has the votes... Otherwise, it's a state issue.
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