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re: Disney Marvel: Spider-Man girlfriend Mary Jane Watson to be tortured & killed

Posted on 4/25/22 at 9:59 am to
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
15486 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 9:59 am to
Uh, aren't we using woke in the wrong context. I thought woke was about demasculating male characters in order to make women the heros. But in this case, we have MJ being killed, which will likely make Spiderman, a straight white male, go apeshit to avenge her honor.

Making a white man be the hero is the exact opposite of woke.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
25937 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 10:19 am to
First of all, I came out posting information that others are saying, not just me. But poster after poster ,reply after reply went ad hominem towards me without even addressing the issue.

So if I do offer up a tone, I’m only giving back that which was given to me.

Secondly, hell yeah I’m pissed. I make no reservations about that whatsoever. For those who are unaware (and there seem to be many ) of what is going on in the entertainment world, all I can say is try to catch up. This stuff isn’t going away simply because you want to ignore it. And this is not a new topic by any stretch. It has been an ongoing matter for six or seven years at least.

By all means, if this is the stuff you enjoy, I encourage you to give as much of your paycheck as you wish. Problem is, these things aren’t making money.

But it’s their property, they can do what they want.

Yeah, that’s exactly what the NPC crowd said about Twitter. Now that Elon Musk is taking it over…

My best advice is if you enjoy this sort of thing, …just consume product, and get excited about new product!
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
31043 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 10:24 am to
The big thing is that you are speaking definitively about the outcome of a cliffhanger. Saying she WILL suffer this fate.

Putting friends and love interests in jeopardy is nothing new. It's literally one of the oldest literary tropes ever.

Saying someone else said it doesn't absolve you from the declarative statement. If I posted something like, "Lois Lane to be murdered by the Joker" and I referred to a panel at the end of a comic where he's threatening her, I'd be guilty of the same hyperbole.
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35633 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 10:33 am to
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So if I do offer up a tone, I’m only giving back that which was given to me.
Matching attacks gives you a 0% chance of people listening to you. You have failed before even getting started. So if your goal is revenge, fine. But if your goal is successful communication, you are failing miserably.

I get you’re frustration. But displaying severe frustration and obsession can appear like extremism. Whether that’s what it is or isn’t. If you portray extremism, you’re going to become labeled, thereby automatically turning off the majority of the population. Just some advice.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
25937 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 10:38 am to
I love how this is turned into conflict resolution and persuasive talking and away from the actual issue at hand. That is sarcasm, by the way.

I’d rather talk about positive stuff, like the Northman, to be honest.
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
15099 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 10:40 am to
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Seems pretty dark for spiderman




I think this is the correct description. Not woke but pretty damn dark
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
25937 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 10:49 am to
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“I get you’re frustration. But displaying severe frustration and obsession can appear like extremism”


What you’re seeing has very little to do with obsession or all that much interest with the characters mentioned above. It’s about the bigger picture, & I don’t feel the need to rehash history each and every time I post, so forgive me if I don’t. Spider-Man and Mary Jane Watson probably don’t break my top 25 on things to be concerned about regarding current entertainment. Using words like extremism, severe frustration , obsession… It’s so far off the mark it’s comical. Because I am only at level one regarding any of this stuff.
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35633 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 10:53 am to
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I love how this is turned into conflict resolution
Its my nature. I can’t help it.

Unnecessary conflict eats at me. And it’s all over the place. I realize I can do little to help this issue, but whatever little I can do, I will try to.
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persuasive talking
You can call it that. I call it successful communication.

I know you’re just joking, but the reality is, you know I’m right. And it appears you’re more concerned with being right or expressing anger than whether or not people are actually hearing and listening to you. And that’s ok. If that’s your goal, you’re doing great. But don’t get angry when it turns into a snowball. Especially when your initial proposed concern was not well received.
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35633 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 10:58 am to
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Using words like extremism, severe frustration , obsession… It’s so far off the mark it’s comical. Because I am only at level one regarding any of this stuff.
Those words are triggering. I know. I’m not using them in an attempt to trigger. I’m simply emphasizing how you are coming across. Seemingly unaware. Don’t become defensive about it, learn from it. If you are not these things, ok. But try to understand why you’re being perceived that way.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
25937 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 11:30 am to
It isn’t a matter of knowing that you were right, but me not caring about being persuasive. I’m not here to persuade. I’m simply here to voice my opinion and in the manner which I see fit. If it rubs people the wrong way, fine. But maybe some can see through my “abrasiveness“, even if they disagree.

I’m not here to sell anything, make friends, earn social credits… None of that.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
25937 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 11:31 am to
You mistake me for one who is triggered. I’m not in the least bit, I’m simply calling you out for your errant portrayal of what I’m trying to say

Again, you can disagree all you want, that’s fine. But don’t paint me as something I am not.
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
27883 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 11:49 am to
I don't mean this in a snarky way. I think you need to calm down and figure some shite out. This isn't normal.
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35633 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 11:53 am to
Ok man. That’s ok. You are absolutely welcome to voice your opinion the way you see fit. You were just complaining about the continued negative behavior towards you. I was telling why I thought that was happening. It’s ok if you don’t see it that way. But I believe the negative communication you’re complaining about is going to continue. It sounds like you’re ok with that, and that’s all that matters.
This post was edited on 4/25/22 at 11:55 am
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35633 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 12:10 pm to
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Again, you can disagree all you want, that’s fine. But don’t paint me as something I am not.
And again, this is why this will continue. You are failing to comprehend properly what you’re reading. Why? Because you are in a combative state.

I am not painting you as anything. I’m explaining how people may be perceiving you. I actually do not think you are those things. But I believe you are troubled and that can have a negative effect on your behavior. Making you react in ways where you may not understand how you’re coming across.

But it definitely sounds like you are not concerned with any of that. And that’s ok. Hopefully one day you will understand what I’m saying. I hope things get better for you.
Posted by NOSA
Member since Jan 2004
9651 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 12:17 pm to
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Woke is purposefully elusive. It means whatever the social Marxist want it to mean. So yeah, it applies here.


Lmao this is the dumbest shite that's ever been posted here.

That is LITERALLY what you are doing.
This post was edited on 4/25/22 at 12:18 pm
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
25937 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 12:24 pm to
I would say that you are sort of catching on, but you really aren’t.

But keep trying.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30488 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 3:42 pm to
If we're going to be pendantic, I wouldn't describe this as "woke". I think "woke" implies political correctness and racial identity politics taken to the extreme. There is a cultural Marxist movement in this country to eliminate/rewrite/devalue cultural and historical touchstones in American society, however. I think this is more akin to that.
Posted by ThoseGuys
Wishing I was back in NC
Member since Nov 2012
1984 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 8:44 pm to
I totally have no idea what the hell most people have been talking about with this thread. But as one of the resident comic book nerds, I wanted to touch base.



That is from Green Lantern #54, otherwise known as "The Fridge" issue. The woman stuffed in the fridge was Kyle Renner's (the new Green Lantern after Hal Jordan killed 99% of the Green Lantern Corp) girlfriend. Originally readers were led to believe she would be a bigger influence on his superhero career. Instead she was only introduced with the intent to kill her as motivation for the hero.

This sparked a huge debate over how female characters are treated in comics.

All of this is to say that if Mary Jane is killed off in a gruesome way, it wouldn't be the first time it has happened. It would also be unfair to try to frame this through political lenses when this is something that has been prevalent in comics for decades.

It should also be noted that Hellfire Gala has yet to come out, so right now we are only making predictions based on leaks.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
25937 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 8:49 pm to
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Instead she was only introduced with the intent to kill her as motivation for the hero.


Which makes her death far less impactful than MJ's.
Posted by ThoseGuys
Wishing I was back in NC
Member since Nov 2012
1984 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 9:26 pm to
But MJ hasn't died. Again all we have is 2 leaked pages.

Mary Jane has been "killed" before when her plane blew up and she was kidnapped by a stalker who was trying to pretend he was Peter Parker.
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