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Does Matt McMahon face the toughest coaching challenge in LSU history?

Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:39 am
Posted by HoopyD
Member since Nov 2004
3443 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:39 am
He's losing an entire roster.
Has to build an entire roster.
Has to attract players even though they have no idea who their teammates will be.
Has to attract both coaches and players to a place with potentially serious sanctions on the way.

Has there ever been a bigger uphill battle for an LSU coach than the one McMahon faces?
Posted by TigerinKorea
Member since Aug 2014
8857 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:44 am to
John Brady had it pretty rough in the beginning. He had to deal with with the aftermath of the NCAA dropping the hammer on the program after the Dale Brown / Lester Earl saga.
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 10:58 am
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
36971 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:45 am to
John Brady says "hi".
Posted by ipodking
#StopTalkingAboutWomensSports
Member since Jun 2008
58399 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:45 am to
Saban had to change an entire mindset in the athletic department
Posted by OGtigerfan87
North La
Member since Feb 2019
3834 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:46 am to
It is still far from decided how much of the current roster leaves. Entering the portal doesn’t mean they are gone and half the roster is yet to enter anyway.
Posted by TheBaker
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2004
4799 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:46 am to
Challenging yes. Toughest ever?? Not even close. Basketball is a 2-3 year rebuild tops.
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 10:48 am
Posted by TapeWormBelly
Member since Jan 2015
17 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:47 am to
Brady didn’t have the transfer portal, so Brady.
Posted by LSUMANINVA
West Virginia
Member since Sep 2004
9151 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:48 am to
I would imagine dealing with integration a long time ago was tough.
Posted by ForeverLSU5
Member since Mar 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:52 am to
No... The program was in worse shape when both Brady and Wade took over.
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
12053 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:55 am to
McMahon does not have to deal with draconian sanctions as Jonn Brady was given to deal with.
Posted by HoopyD
Member since Nov 2004
3443 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:56 am to
I guess the only counter to that is at least Brady and Wade inherited some semblance of a roster (although the one inherited by Brady was atrocious). McMahon may be starting completely from scratch. Not sure that's ever been done.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
33972 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:56 am to
He's not even facing the toughest coaching challenge in LSU basketball history...let alone LSU history.

John Brady took over a program that at the time was in complete free fall AND received NCAA sanctions: 1 year postseason ban, loss of 6 scholarships over 3 years, recruiting restrictions. Wade took over a program mired in apathy coming off its worst SEC record in program history.

NEITHER had the benefit of the transfer portal, which is effectively college free agency. So they had to build their programs through juco signings, HS recruiting, and transfers that had to sit out a year.

McMahon inherits a program that has been to 3 straight (would have been 4) NCAA Tournaments. Despite what everyone seems to think, LSU is not under any sanctions at the moment. And it is very likely sanctions wont be rendered for another 1-2 years...if they are even all that severe against the SCHOOL (not Wade personally)

But the immediately eligible transfer rule makes McMahon's "rebuilding" job FAR more easier than what Brady and Wade faced. He is going to have the opportunity to bring in good, veteran players to contribute immediately.

Iowa St. was 2-22 last season. They hired a new HC who started with 3 returning players. He brought in 7 transfers and 1 HS signee. With that almost completely new team (comprised of 11 scholarship players) Iowa St. went 22-13 with a Sweet 16 appearance. Hell, Wade had 5 returning players in his first season at LSU. To fill out the roster he brought in a grad transfer, two JUCO players, and 4 HS signees. In the process he took a program that went 10-21 (2-16) the year before he arrived and led a team picked to finish last in the SEC to a 18-15 (8-10) record and NIT birth.

I don't like that Wade was fired. But the people that are convinced LSU is going to go into a black hole for 3, 4, 5 years (some idiot predicted LSU wouldn't win a SEC game over the next two seasons 0-36!) either don't watch college basketball or are just emotional basket cases. College basketball programs can be completely "rebuilt" in a matter of a year or two.
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 11:09 am
Posted by TigerinKorea
Member since Aug 2014
8857 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:00 am to
quote:

loss of 6 scholarships over 3 years


I remember being excited about having a team with a full roster of players and proper depth, because the scholarship restrictions were finally over.
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 11:01 am
Posted by basiletiger
lafayette, la.
Member since Aug 2007
2441 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:05 am to
John Brady and Will Wade had that role.

Both were left with a shite show from the Dale Brown and Johnny Jones eras.

And it's not even close.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
71493 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:08 am to
quote:

John Brady had it pretty rough in the beginning. He had to deal with with the aftermath of the NCAA dropping the hammer on the program after the Dale Brown / Lester Earl saga.



This

Brady returned just a handful of guys from the previous year's team. We had 9 guys average at least 4 points a game the last year of Dale Brown. Of those 9 guys, just 3 returned for Brady's first year.

Keep in mind, the transfer portal didnt exist back then either.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
48760 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:20 am to
Maybe considering a portion of the fan base hates him already because he isn't Will Wade. I get the hate that Saban got because he left for the NFL. I get the hate that Miles got because so much talent was wasted. What I don't get is the undying love for a man that knowingly fricked LSU basketball for maybe years to come.
Posted by Adajax
Member since Nov 2015
8173 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:26 am to
Dinardo had to rebuild from the Hallman apocalypse.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33867 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:26 am to
Brady and it’s not close. He dealt with scholarship reductions at a time when there was a 5/8 signee rule (5 per year, 8 over two years), which made it nearly impossible to build a roster.

LSU was dealt the most severe non-death penalty sanctions in NCAA history.
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
20554 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:27 am to
quote:

some idiot predicted LSU wouldn't win a SEC game over the next two seasons 0-36!


You talking about Hunt Palmer? I had a chuckle listening to him seriously arguing LSU has the #11 athletic department in the SEC on top of it while I was at lunch yesterday
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
18676 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:31 am to
NYET….
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