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re: Thoughts on the RaDonda Vaught (nurse convicted of negligent homicide) trial?
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:38 am to nes2010
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:38 am to nes2010
Sounds like we should be looking into this more than no?
Or at least a breakdown of errors such as the one the thread is created for and others such as errors while under operation, etc.
Or at least a breakdown of errors such as the one the thread is created for and others such as errors while under operation, etc.
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Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:38 am to GreasyCracklin
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She’s an idiot. I doubt she’s illiterate since she’s an RN, but her biggest mistake was not being able to read that the drug she thought she was given was in fact a paralytic. Topple that with the fact that what she thought she was administering is not even available in a powder, yet she kept on going and proceeded with killing her patient. That’s not a “medical mistake or error”. That’s negligence dammit and a crime that deserves consequences.
She should never be allowed to touch another patient.
My wife is a nurse as well and this was her opinion too. This wasn't just an honest mistake, it was negligence.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:40 am to Obtuse1
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Her biggest question was why was Versed ordered by the Dr for a scan vs Ativan or Benadryl.
Should’ve been ordered as midazolam not versed. Should have been read back to the ordering physician with closed loop communication (ie “administering 4mg midazolam”). Should have been ordered directly by the MD as a high risk medication and not administered as a verbal order. In no circumstances should verbal orders be given indirectly (she was told by supervisor). Floor nurses shouldn’t be able to override high risk medications.
Plenty of systems-based reasons this happened and Vanderbilt needs to take responsibility.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:46 am to GreasyCracklin
It’s definitely neglect. It’s not like she accidentally gave a patient naproxen instead of ibuprofen.
There has to be some checks and balances in place where they have to double and triple verify the medication they are about to administer. She obviously got complacent and didn’t do her job correctly. Her complacency resulted in a person dying. She deserves to pay some consequence.
There has to be some checks and balances in place where they have to double and triple verify the medication they are about to administer. She obviously got complacent and didn’t do her job correctly. Her complacency resulted in a person dying. She deserves to pay some consequence.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:46 am to Ingeniero
A nurse with danger hair is always gonna be a no, dawg
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:48 am to El Segundo Guy
quote:what does this mean? they aren't doing what the doctor says?
nurses in the ER and ICU are trending on not taking verbal orders, which slows things down a ton.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:48 am to Ingeniero
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RaDonda
never had a chance
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:50 am to Ingeniero
I feel like her mistake was so egregious that it borders on criminality.
Vial of Vecuronium
Vial of Versed (Midazolam)
She basically had to ignore the labeling, and the fact that Vec is a powder; thus requiring her to reconstitute it. There's even warnings on the cap and frequently little flags on the vial itself that say, "This is a paralytic." I just wonder how many other patients this chick has harmed through her negligence. How many "codes" were a result of her? I'd really be curious. How many close calls? I just think there's a lot of shite that slips through the cracks and it takes an event like this to raise awareness.
She needs to go to jail, IMO. And nurses that are afraid people are going to come for them for might want to tighten up their practices a bit.
Vial of Vecuronium
Vial of Versed (Midazolam)
She basically had to ignore the labeling, and the fact that Vec is a powder; thus requiring her to reconstitute it. There's even warnings on the cap and frequently little flags on the vial itself that say, "This is a paralytic." I just wonder how many other patients this chick has harmed through her negligence. How many "codes" were a result of her? I'd really be curious. How many close calls? I just think there's a lot of shite that slips through the cracks and it takes an event like this to raise awareness.
She needs to go to jail, IMO. And nurses that are afraid people are going to come for them for might want to tighten up their practices a bit.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:51 am to Ingeniero
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Show Me Your Stethoscope, a nursing group on Facebook with more than 600,000 members
This being the OT. I want to know how many people are going to admit running straight to this FB page to see if they are showing titties. Because that sounds like a place, "Show Me Your Stethoscope", that would show titties.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:51 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Means that the doctor's order must be written and signed in the system instead if verbally given and written post op.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:51 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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nurses in the ER and ICU are trending on not taking verbal orders, which slows things down a ton.
what does this mean? they aren't doing what the doctor says?
No, I think it means that all orders must be written/documented.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:52 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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what does this mean? they aren't doing what the doctor says?
Verbal: you tell the nurse what to give and they give it
Written: you write the order yourself
Versed should not be a verbal order.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 10:01 am
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:52 am to Ingeniero
Problem is the criminalization of medical errors such as this is you will have now have facilities not reporting and in turn medical care becomes more dangerous.
You want errors to be reported, that's how you learn and mitigate future events.
You want errors to be reported, that's how you learn and mitigate future events.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:54 am to Loup
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i don't know the whole story but from the bit I've read from nurses on FB they seem really upset that they can get in legal trouble for negligently killing somebody.
My wife told me the other day that she read some bullshite from a nurse saying that if they can be prosecuted for medical mistakes that cause deaths, they should make $200/hr. I guess this nurse was under the assumption that every physician makes 400k+ per year or that nurses should make more than some physicians
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:54 am to AkronTiger
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Versed should not be a verbal order.
When possible, sure. Problem is there isn't always time for written orders. Some situations do not allow for it.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:55 am to Ingeniero
She looks crazier than a shithouse rat.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:56 am to nes2010
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A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000. Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.
And this doesn't include infections caught at the hospital.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:56 am to Dragula
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When possible, sure. Problem is there isn't always time for written orders. Some situations do not allow for it.
Wasn’t this just for a scan? Plenty of time to order. The situations you’re describing (RRTs) have enough support otherwise that errors like this are much less likely (pharmacy present to give meds). Besides the fact that there is usually time to put the order in anyways.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 10:00 am
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:57 am to Dragula
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Problem is the criminalization of medical errors such as this is you will have now have facilities not reporting and in turn medical care becomes more dangerous.
You want errors to be reported, that's how you learn and mitigate future events.
This
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:59 am to NPComb
Major component in this case is she has a student, likely asking 20 questions as she was performing duties and was distracted.
There is a reason why staff avoids speaking to the physician while he/she is putting in orders.
There is a reason why staff avoids speaking to the physician while he/she is putting in orders.
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