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re: Thoughts on the RaDonda Vaught (nurse convicted of negligent homicide) trial?
Posted on 3/29/22 at 11:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 3/29/22 at 11:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Yeah, she would have had to reconstitute it before injecting. That alone should have provided multiple points of verification.
This is a pretty huge screw up, doubt it can happen easily.
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Posted on 3/29/22 at 11:56 am to Havoc
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Except there could be some other activities recorded.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 12:00 pm to Ricardo
But specifically with Versed, I imagine all hospitals would require 1 on 1 monitored care, with constant vitals, it’s not uncommon for someone to have sever respiratory distress with 1mg.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 12:17 pm to Rust Cohle
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But specifically with Versed, I imagine all hospitals would require 1 on 1 monitored care, with constant vitals, it’s not uncommon for someone to have sever respiratory distress with 1mg.
Which is one of the things that makes Versed bizarre for a scan.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 12:22 pm to Dragula
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But this criminalization isn't exclusive to them which is far more concerning.
Help me understand this. You are concerned that people can and are being charged with criminal activity when they make a mistake that has dire consequences?
Posted on 3/29/22 at 12:33 pm to Vamos Brandonos
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Help me understand this. You are concerned that people can and are being charged with criminal activity when they make a mistake that has dire consequences?
Criminal negligence charges should be used in cases where a potentially dangerous situation was known about, but left uncorrected resulting in injury or death. As the other poster said there are other methods to discipline those that had no intent to harm, but made a mistake. Revocation of professional license, civil lawsuits, etc. The punishment should be based on the intent of the action not the result.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 3/29/22 at 12:45 pm to EA6B
The prosecution comparing this to drunk driving is absurd. A drunk driver chose to drink, and then got behind a vehicle. That is knowingly putting someone in danger
The equivalent here is someone running a red light, and then saying they truly thought it was green. Would that person go to prison? I truly doubt it. They would be civilly liable and have other troubles like loss of license etc. Same that should have been done to this nurse
The equivalent here is someone running a red light, and then saying they truly thought it was green. Would that person go to prison? I truly doubt it. They would be civilly liable and have other troubles like loss of license etc. Same that should have been done to this nurse
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 3/29/22 at 12:47 pm to EA6B
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Criminal negligence charges should be used in cases where a potentially dangerous situation was known about, but left uncorrected resulting in injury or death. As the other poster said there are other methods to discipline those that had no intent to harm, but made a mistake. Revocation of professional license, civil lawsuits, etc.
Why should intent matter? A person could know about a dangerous situation, have no intent to harm, but could be lazy, careless, or just unqualified to do what they are doing. I don't care about their intent when multiple safeguards are missed. Part of punishment has and should be to discourage others to do the same, and in cases like this, encourage carefulness and diligence. Revoking a license is a slap on the wrist and does not send the same message.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 12:48 pm to Vamos Brandonos
quote:Losing your ability to work in the profession you spent 100s of thousands on to earn is a slap in the wrist?
Revoking a license is a slap on the wrist
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 3/29/22 at 12:49 pm to Loup
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i don't know the whole story but from the bit I've read from nurses on FB they seem really upset that they can get in legal trouble for negligently killing somebody.
Shoulda gone into politics, where you can order Covid+ patients into nursing homes where the elderly can't escape and kill them wantonly.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 12:51 pm to lsupride87
quote:Someone brought up the cop using the gun instead of the taser, seems that logic does apply to both. Neither had bad intentions, both were woefully negligent. Pretty sure that cop got jail time.
The equivalent here is someone running a red light, and then saying they truly thought it was green. Would that person go to prison? I truly doubt it. They would be civilly liable and have other troubles like loss of license etc. Same that should have been done to this nurse
The red/green light scenario probably isn't a good one cause there's legit no way to prove, or no evidence that would suggest you truly thought it was green, so that scenario would probably never really play out.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 12:51 pm to lsupride87
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The equivalent here is someone running a red light, and then saying they truly thought it was green.
No, a better analogy would be they ran the red light, thought it was green and just happened to be sending a text message and applying makeup at the same time.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 12:52 pm to Vamos Brandonos
quote:You don't think intent should matter at all? I think in virtually every case, intent should matter. Not having bad intent doesn't mean you shouldn't go to jail or anything like that, but it certainly should matter.
Why should intent matter?
There's a stark difference between this nurse just botching it like she did vs her intentionally trying to kill the person by giving them that medicine.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 12:54 pm to Vamos Brandonos
quote:I agree here, that's a more apt comparison. And the answer would be yes, that person would likely face jail time. it would at least be on the table for sure.
No, a better analogy would be they ran the red light, thought it was green and just happened to be sending a text message and applying makeup at the same time.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 12:58 pm to shel311
quote:People run red lights all the time and kill people. They hardly ever go to jail for it
The red/green light scenario probably isn't a good one cause there's legit no way to prove, or no evidence that would suggest you truly thought it was green, so that scenario would probably never really play out.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 1:10 pm to lsupride87
quote:Yea, probably true. But I think the dude above's scenario pointing out it's proven they were being completely negligent by texting and putting on makeup at the same time would probably change that. And that definitely seems like the better comparison because she was woefully negligent here.
People run red lights all the time and kill people. They hardly ever go to jail for it
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 3/29/22 at 1:14 pm to Vamos Brandonos
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No, a better analogy would be they ran the red light, thought it was green and just happened to be sending a text message and applying makeup at the same time.
The driver texting or applying make up while driving knows their actions are increasing the risk of having a accident. The nurse thought she had the correct drug, and had no reason to believe harm could be the outcome, large difference.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 1:18 pm to 50_Tiger
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It ended in the death of another human being.
It's the equivocal to an Engineer stamping a plan that kills someone due to design flaws.
So your solution is to round up every engineer and construction worker to throw them into prison?
Doctors don't go to jail when their error leads to the death of a patient. Charging nurses with criminal charges will just lead to nurses not self reporting errors.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 3/29/22 at 1:28 pm to oauron
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So your solution is to round up every engineer and construction worker to throw them into prison?
No, my solution is to investigate and if found the mistakes were egregious and beyond negligence, (as another poster pointed out there are panels/committees for this already) then yes criminal charges should be filed.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 1:33 pm to lsupride87
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Revoking a license is a slap on the wrist
Hypothetical scenario for doctors, nurses, engineers, lawyers, pharmacists, or similar:
You make an error, and for the purpose of this discussion, it doesn’t matter what/how. You screwed up. You are given two choices. One - you have your professional license and all credentials and education permanently revoked. You may not ever work in your profession again. Two - one year in prison. Afterward, you pick up where you left off as far as work goes with no further consequences.
I think for anyone who has spent years working toward a career, possibly taken out high student loans that still need to be paid, has a family to support, this may be a tough choice. This nurse gets both, and if they are doing this to nurses and cops, they could come for you next.
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